Here is a hypothesis.
Each dragon form might have a basic set of attribute modifiers attached to it, that is used as a base for total gene calculation.
At least that's the way i'd program it.
If this is correct, then there is a specific data entry for whelp, a specific data entry for dragon, a specific data entry for warrior etc. Gene combinations point at an entry to use and tell how to modify it further.
While it is unlikely that you'll ever be able to manipulate the way genes interact with dragon forms, if you just manage to find the base stats of the forms, you will gain a lot of control over the gene system.
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#42
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04 October 2013 - 10:00 AM
maxi, on 04 October 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:
Here is a hypothesis.
Each dragon form might have a basic set of attribute modifiers attached to it, that is used as a base for total gene calculation.
At least that's the way i'd program it.
If this is correct, then there is a specific data entry for whelp, a specific data entry for dragon, a specific data entry for warrior etc. Gene combinations point at an entry to use and tell how to modify it further.
While it is unlikely that you'll ever be able to manipulate the way genes interact with dragon forms, if you just manage to find the base stats of the forms, you will gain a lot of control over the gene system.
Each dragon form might have a basic set of attribute modifiers attached to it, that is used as a base for total gene calculation.
At least that's the way i'd program it.
If this is correct, then there is a specific data entry for whelp, a specific data entry for dragon, a specific data entry for warrior etc. Gene combinations point at an entry to use and tell how to modify it further.
While it is unlikely that you'll ever be able to manipulate the way genes interact with dragon forms, if you just manage to find the base stats of the forms, you will gain a lot of control over the gene system.
Yeah but that's the thing. If I look for the attributes, the question must then be asked: how does the game calculate it? Does it read the value of C8 for 200%, or does it read it as a multiplier such as 02 for 200%? And that's excluding Infinity; does it read 12C or 03 for 300%?
What I've been doing is looking for the ability IDs associated with them. I did manage to find the IDs for Flame Breath, Flame Claw, and Inferno (Flame + Eldritch = Whelp) next to each other, but I really don't think that was the Dragon Gene data, just three hex values that happened to be right next to each other in that particular order.
Edit: The game reading 02 for 200% is highly unlikely, because you have some 150% and 250% multipliers in there as well, but my dilemma remains.
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05 October 2013 - 09:56 AM
Advent, on 04 October 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:
Yeah but that's the thing. If I look for the attributes, the question must then be asked: how does the game calculate it? Does it read the value of C8 for 200%, or does it read it as a multiplier such as 02 for 200%? And that's excluding Infinity; does it read 12C or 03 for 300%?
What I've been doing is looking for the ability IDs associated with them. I did manage to find the IDs for Flame Breath, Flame Claw, and Inferno (Flame + Eldritch = Whelp) next to each other, but I really don't think that was the Dragon Gene data, just three hex values that happened to be right next to each other in that particular order.
Edit: The game reading 02 for 200% is highly unlikely, because you have some 150% and 250% multipliers in there as well, but my dilemma remains.
What I've been doing is looking for the ability IDs associated with them. I did manage to find the IDs for Flame Breath, Flame Claw, and Inferno (Flame + Eldritch = Whelp) next to each other, but I really don't think that was the Dragon Gene data, just three hex values that happened to be right next to each other in that particular order.
Edit: The game reading 02 for 200% is highly unlikely, because you have some 150% and 250% multipliers in there as well, but my dilemma remains.
These kinds of dilemmas are only solved by experimentation. You formulate a hypothesis ("the game takes c8 for 200%") and then test it by changing those c8s you feel relevant to something else.
Takes a hell lot of time to test all the possible variations, though
. And the answer you need is not guaranteed either.Reverse engineering can be a very demotivating job :/
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06 October 2013 - 09:20 AM
Hey guys, I got the sense some of the people working on the project are begginners with it, an easier way to make the game harder would be to weaken the characters, rather than buffing every enemy and boss, which would take a very long time. Obviously thats not as complete, but it would boost the game difficulties, as long as you keep everything in proportion between characters, and any buffs/nerfs you'd apply to certain characters.
Leave enemies and bosses alone then, saves you a lot of time.
Leave enemies and bosses alone then, saves you a lot of time.
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06 October 2013 - 09:26 AM
retrogamer, on 06 October 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:
Hey guys, I got the sense some of the people working on the project are begginners with it, an easier way to make the game harder would be to weaken the characters, rather than buffing every enemy and boss, which would take a very long time. Obviously thats not as complete, but it would boost the game difficulties, as long as you keep everything in proportion between characters, and any buffs/nerfs you'd apply to certain characters.
Pass on that, as not only is it more difficult from a balancing standpoint (it's like me working in reverse instead of drive), but it goes against my design philosophy. I hate nerfing stuff if I don't have to. That being said, what I plan to do to enemies and bosses has far more advantages to it than straight nerfing.
Even as a beginner, there's a lot of venues open to me with what I know about the game's code thus far.
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06 October 2013 - 09:56 AM
Allright sounds like you have some great ideas, I can't wait to see how it turns out!
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06 October 2013 - 10:00 AM
retrogamer, on 06 October 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:
Allright sounds like you have some great ideas, I can't wait to see how it turns out!
Thanks, I plan to start actually hacking areas within the week, playtested by Emitai, myself, and maybe a few others.
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06 October 2013 - 10:42 AM
Oooh. Hacking areas soon, hm? I like the sound of this.
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06 October 2013 - 11:12 AM
Angel, on 06 October 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:
Oooh. Hacking areas soon, hm? I like the sound of this.
Areas meaning actually beginning to hack the game instead of documenting.
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06 October 2013 - 11:14 AM
Oh. Well, I'll still take it. I expect this mod out by the end of the month. 
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06 October 2013 - 11:14 AM
Angel, on 06 October 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:
Oh. Well, I'll still take it. I expect this mod out by the end of the month.
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06 October 2013 - 11:32 AM
Advent, on 06 October 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:
Thanks, I plan to start actually hacking areas within the week, playtested by Emitai, myself, and maybe a few others.
I'm expecting a "BoF3 Dragon Trial: Break Anima Zero's Sanity" version as well there chief
.That being said, feel free to give me a holler if you need help with playtesting anything.
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06 October 2013 - 11:33 AM
Anima Zero, on 06 October 2013 - 11:32 AM, said:
I'm expecting a "BoF3 Dragon Trial: Break Anima Zero's Sanity" version as well there chief .
.Sure, I'll just go through all the enemies and plug in "FF" for all their stat values.
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06 October 2013 - 11:34 AM
Advent, on 06 October 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:
Sure, I'll just go through all the enemies and plug in "FF" for all their stat values.
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06 October 2013 - 05:47 PM
Probley super early to ask and relatively minor... what are the odds of reducing the random encounter rate?
That was my biggest problem with this game.
That was my biggest problem with this game.
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06 October 2013 - 05:57 PM
DoomSwell, on 06 October 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:
Probley super early to ask and relatively minor... what are the odds of reducing the random encounter rate?
That was my biggest problem with this game.
That was my biggest problem with this game.
None. I don't know where that's located or how I'd even begin to search for it even if I wanted to.
#58
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06 October 2013 - 06:30 PM
Advent, on 06 October 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:
I'd say...
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GREAT JOB!
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06 October 2013 - 06:41 PM
now lets remove that fucking negative fire resist from yggdrasil
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06 October 2013 - 06:44 PM
Emitai, on 06 October 2013 - 06:41 PM, said:
now lets remove that fucking negative fire resist from yggdrasil
Stored in a different area, and besides I don't think that's such a big deal.
