If you want to go SoM1 style, how about Duelist/Vanadise/Necromancer?
-Duelist is SoM1-boy 2.0: physical powerhouse but finally some spells; saber boost most of Charlie's spells (and his&Lise's phys. attack), anti-magic nerfs phys. immune enemies and aura wave wants to present you with faster eruption swords
-Vanadise only does everything: heal, buffs, phys. damage and some spell damage - same as the girl could do; though MT heal requires a whitelight ring
-Necro brings your nuking and stat downs
The MT damage is a bit limited with the non-elemental summon, 2 MT techs, black rain and holy ball but otherwise... could do worse. At least the team fits size- and otherwise to the SoM1 mold^^
As for a Duran, Angela, Charlie setup...
try Lord, Archmage, Sage
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01 April 2016 - 09:21 AM
What do you guys think would be the most balanced version of a Hawk Duran Kevin party?
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01 April 2016 - 10:59 PM
Ninja Master, Swordmaster, God Hand IMO.
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02 April 2016 - 10:40 AM
That's a tough one. First, Hawk should go Dark to get all stat-downs. You'll need Anti-Magic, which is offered by Paladin, Duelist and Wanderer. Since Hawk is going Dark, that means Duran has to become either Paladin or Duelist.
1) Paladin:
Paladin gives you Heal Light, and you'll have Protect Up and Magic Shield for stat-ups. You won't have Tinkle Rain, and your elemental coverage is limited Hawk's jutsus and Duran's Saint Saber. The latter is the bigger weakness, IMHO, so make Kevin a Death Hand. So Dark Hawk, Paladin and Death Hand. I'd still feel uneasy without Tinkle Rain, though.
2) Duelist:
You have elemental coverage, Anti-Magic and Aura Wave. Now you'll need healing and buffs, so Kevin has to become Light. Therefore, either God Hand for Tinkle Rain, Power Up, Magic Shield and Life Booster, or Warrior Monk for Power Up, Mind Up and Body Change. So Dark Hawk, Duelist and Light Kevin.
Alternatively, you could go Wanderer, Lord and Dervish, but that party sounds like much of the team's offensive capabilities have been reduced.
1) Paladin:
Paladin gives you Heal Light, and you'll have Protect Up and Magic Shield for stat-ups. You won't have Tinkle Rain, and your elemental coverage is limited Hawk's jutsus and Duran's Saint Saber. The latter is the bigger weakness, IMHO, so make Kevin a Death Hand. So Dark Hawk, Paladin and Death Hand. I'd still feel uneasy without Tinkle Rain, though.
2) Duelist:
You have elemental coverage, Anti-Magic and Aura Wave. Now you'll need healing and buffs, so Kevin has to become Light. Therefore, either God Hand for Tinkle Rain, Power Up, Magic Shield and Life Booster, or Warrior Monk for Power Up, Mind Up and Body Change. So Dark Hawk, Duelist and Light Kevin.
Alternatively, you could go Wanderer, Lord and Dervish, but that party sounds like much of the team's offensive capabilities have been reduced.
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02 April 2016 - 12:22 PM
could rogue replace the dark hawk in those scenarios or is the lack of debuffs before the third class change detrimental?
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02 April 2016 - 01:57 PM
The reason why I suggested Dark Hawk instead of Rogue is that Ninja Master and Nightblade get two more stat-downs. Rogue is better for elemental ST sniping, but in a party like Duran-Kevin-Hawk, I think a debuffer helps the team more than a sniper mage, and besides, both Dark classes cover the basic 4 elements (Earth, Wind, Ice, Fire) better. Rogue can't reduce the enemies' physical or magical attacks while Dark Hawk can, so Dark Hawk also increases your party's survivability.
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02 April 2016 - 10:24 PM
Anti-Magic is easily covered with just the black market, as it's only really necessary for bosses. I prefer making sure I have all I need to clear randoms easily.
If you want to include Rogue, it's not ideal, but Rogue, Warrior Monk, Paladin should work.
If you want to include Rogue, it's not ideal, but Rogue, Warrior Monk, Paladin should work.
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08 April 2016 - 05:10 PM
Suggestions on a team with Rogue and any of Charlotte's classes?
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Valenhil, on 08 April 2016 - 05:10 PM, said:
Suggestions on a team with Rogue and any of Charlotte's classes?
I know it has been a while but I have just finished a hard run with Rogue Hawk and Sage Carlie and Dragon Master Liese. It was kinda weird with the debuff over lap but it was also the first time I used elemental sabers in a party and it felt pretty good. Sage carlie was actually an ok off-caster with the saint beam, dark force and rainbow dust spells along with her support stuff. I usually had the white light ring on Carlie most of the time with a AGI weapon and I had went down the crit build road with hawk so he and liese both did really nice damage with the saber buffs. While it wasn't the most optimal run it was quite fun.
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16 May 2016 - 06:30 PM
Looking for the best way to make this party work: Kevin, Duran, Angela. Duran is a paladin and both Kevin and Angela are picking dark for the first class change. Not sure which class would be best for the second class change though.
For the paladin I was going to try to play him as a tank by raising vitality for a high physical defense and using those tech bar multiplying weapons to keep knocking the enemy down, likely at the cost of strength.
I thought Kevin could be a dervish and use luck to get a lot of crits out, but not too sure. Rune Master can pick up elemental sabers and with two melee character I thought the best fit would thus be: Rune Master, Dervish, Paladin. Any thoughts on this combo?
For the paladin I was going to try to play him as a tank by raising vitality for a high physical defense and using those tech bar multiplying weapons to keep knocking the enemy down, likely at the cost of strength.
I thought Kevin could be a dervish and use luck to get a lot of crits out, but not too sure. Rune Master can pick up elemental sabers and with two melee character I thought the best fit would thus be: Rune Master, Dervish, Paladin. Any thoughts on this combo?
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16 May 2016 - 08:41 PM
redshirt, on 16 May 2016 - 06:30 PM, said:
Rune Master, Dervish, Paladin
You'll have MT def up, st def down/speed down, antimagic, elemental nukes, poison, healing ofc, all kinds of sabers...
Only thing you'll maybe want to buy is drake scales for power up. You can even use whitelight ring on Kevin to make his buffs/debuffs MT, if you want.
It's a very solid team IMO.
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16 May 2016 - 09:01 PM
Wow, lightwhite ring will make his spells MT? That is awesome. He has some really good spells for MT.
I didn't see anyone using both Duran and Kevin on a team, so I was worried. I think its because the AI is terrible. We're doing 3 player so that's not a concern. Think the sabers from rune master would be worth it for this party?
I didn't see anyone using both Duran and Kevin on a team, so I was worried. I think its because the AI is terrible. We're doing 3 player so that's not a concern. Think the sabers from rune master would be worth it for this party?
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16 May 2016 - 10:23 PM
redshirt, on 16 May 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:
Wow, lightwhite ring will make his spells MT? That is awesome.
Not all. Check the files sent with the hack for details which are affected.
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17 May 2016 - 05:53 AM
Kei, on 16 May 2016 - 08:41 PM, said:
You'll have MT def up, st def down/speed down, antimagic, elemental nukes, poison, healing ofc, all kinds of sabers...
Only thing you'll maybe want to buy is drake scales for power up. You can even use whitelight ring on Kevin to make his buffs/debuffs MT, if you want.
It's a very solid team IMO.
Only thing you'll maybe want to buy is drake scales for power up. You can even use whitelight ring on Kevin to make his buffs/debuffs MT, if you want.
It's a very solid team IMO.
Even more solid with the new armor in the new patch that allows debuffs to buff making Dervish gain Speed Up and Protect Up when needed *cough cough* Lugar.
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27 May 2016 - 01:41 AM
I'm trying my hand at Duran/Angela/Riese and ive came up with Lord/Magus/Dark riese or Duelist/Grand divina/Light riese but I can't decide myself, any thoughts on this? Also it must be Duran/Angela/Riese also I'm planning of making a journal with this party adventure (no video but with screenshots) if you people thinks that this is a good idea
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27 May 2016 - 03:16 AM
Leon Zero, on 27 May 2016 - 01:41 AM, said:
I'm trying my hand at Duran/Angela/Riese and ive came up with Lord/Magus/Dark riese or Duelist/Grand divina/Light riese but I can't decide myself, any thoughts on this? Also it must be Duran/Angela/Riese also I'm planning of making a journal with this party adventure (no video but with screenshots) if you people thinks that this is a good idea
I'd suggest Duelist, Archmage, Vanadise:
- you'll learn to love auto-heal from heal light after the torture of Bucca Island (Knight->Lord deprives you of this option)
- You'll learn to use the whitelight ring to get a MT healer (again, Lord deprives you of this necessity)
- You'll have the option to play around with sabers; they have both offense and defense uses. (again, you need the Duelist out of both teams)
Also Archmage instead of Grand Divina to have Power&Mind Down, that helps a lot (-25% damage taken), heals by Vanadise.
Or let's go very crazy:
Duelist (saber, anti-magic, aura wave), Grand Divina (heals, transshape, sleep), Fenrir Knight (debuffs OR buffs with a certain armor); might or not profit from a certain new armor that switches buff<->debuff effects. Ok, that one lacks a bit in the "def&m.def + power&mind down at the same time" department...
Depends on what the desired experience is.
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27 May 2016 - 09:00 AM
Bucca Island wasn't nearly as bad after I learned to not be a cheapskate and buy gauntlets for everybody. The wait for heal light on a Vanadise party is agonizing tho - 21 fricking Piety AND you have to wait all those levels to first get the multi target buffs and the summons. Its going to be even less fun if those death penalty changes come in soon.
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27 May 2016 - 10:40 AM
Hmm, I didn't take this in consideration at all and even though I am loving the 20 item cap I just feel in my guts and that it won't be enough by the time I'm waiting for the Grand Divina/Vanadis start healing with their magic and if the bucca isle is as bad as you boys say I prefer to not even know about it, I'm having enough troubles with gal bees and opening smoke trap in the box since it has 1000 rpm with the luck.
Also praetarius when pointing those stuff about the duelist, were you actually recommending the lord? I got a little confused there
Also praetarius when pointing those stuff about the duelist, were you actually recommending the lord? I got a little confused there
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27 May 2016 - 11:41 AM
Leon Zero, on 27 May 2016 - 10:40 AM, said:
Also praetarius when pointing those stuff about the duelist, were you actually recommending the lord? I got a little confused there
nope, I meant as I wrote it;
with the Lord party you won't get the "pleasure" of waiting a long time before you finally get free heals
also he himself knows MT heal by default so again you won't experience what the whitelight ring can do for you.
What I wanted to advocate was a team that will give you more personal experience.
Bucca isn't that bad, I just personally hate the entire sequence starting from Bill/Ben1 to end of Bucca since you're "trapped" in a sense; you can't go back to old towns to buy items you missed or couldn't afford. Blackmarket for a buff or two is right out as well, etc. And if you keep up with the enemy levels this trap is almost 10 levels long.
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27 May 2016 - 12:17 PM
Praetarius5018, on 27 May 2016 - 03:16 AM, said:
I'd suggest Duelist, Archmage, Vanadise:
Alternatively, take Swordmaster instead of Duelist, as Archmage already covers Anti-Magic and Aura Wave. Swordmaster has more Sabers, including Saint and Moon, and he can use Energy Ball on himself to get more critical hits.
