Ecclesiastes' Official Screenshot Topic
#1
25 July 2016 - 11:23 PM
These are from my prepping for Kefka's Tower. I wanted to lock in my three teams and their equipment, since this mod miraculously provides just enough epics to do so, and it took a while. But I ended up with a few superstars.
I'm loving Cyan. He's immune to Holy/Poison, Halves Fire/Ice/Bolt/Wind, and is weak to Earth/Water(Black Heart)(lolol). Aaaand he's wearing a snazzy Nirvana Band for when he takes breaks from laughing at incoming attacks. Naturally, he's also on Team Refract.
TL;DR Vae Victis.
Gem Box and Death Ward offscreen. Basically, Terra's a bad bitch.
1590HP/474MP. Daryl's Soul and Back Guard. As if a Back Attack is killing him, though.
I'll be very interested to see if Cyan and Setzer ever die.
#3
26 July 2016 - 05:48 AM
#4
26 July 2016 - 08:25 AM
Looks like your running Bank (Seraph) Setzer as well. Beautiful.
#5
26 July 2016 - 08:33 AM
These are more or less my tanks, with Terra built more for being in the range of Not Immediately Dying While Morphed. That, and I'd rather equip buffs on her than cast them, with the idea that she'd be playing clean-up on randoms. Plus Morph takes a while and I'd rather not sit through it multiple times per fight. Setzer is the RegenX spamming tank on the same team. Cyan is kind of a monstrosity in general when given 20 ELs of Kirin. Celes is also notably bulky, but that's mostly a byproduct of having amazing equipment falling on to her.
EDIT: I went with Kirin to trade some Dragon damage for general safety for some more time fighting instead of healing (Regen, I know), and for stronger Empowerers early on. I'll steal Setzer's Genji Armor and dropping the Black Heart whenever the HP/defenses don't count for anything.
Yes, Setzer is full Seraph. Dice don't need no freaking stats, and he has a few good things to burn MP on.
#6
26 July 2016 - 09:22 AM
Ecclesiastes, on 26 July 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:
O_O
Holy good night! 7k damage with a stamina build?!
I'm never playing vig Terra again. Apocalypse can go cry in a corner. I bet even a Unicorn + Carbunkl build would still hit absurd levels of damage with this new Omega!
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Why do you have the Mutsuno on a stam Cyan? I would imagine you'd want Masamune's +7 stamina for extra Dragon & regen. Your armor & relics aren't necessarily wrong, it just depends on the enemy & your strategy. I really like your Crystal Helm idea (hi, Myria).
Chakra's garbage. Bank Setzer is amazing.
EDIT: For that matter, with this crazy Omega, now I have to try out Kirin Locke. Holy good night...
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 26 July 2016 - 02:03 PM
#7
26 July 2016 - 02:50 PM
Yeah, my Morphed Terra deals 6.8k-7.3k at full HP with Omega with the posted setup at Lv31. This is with 10 Unicorn/Tritoch for HP/Stam. Coming from 1.4.x where this was a secondary stat stick with modest damage, I'm losing my mind.
#8
26 July 2016 - 03:08 PM
#9
26 July 2016 - 04:01 PM
Just as importantly, Omega ignores defense, Apocalypse doesn't. Kefka's Tower has lots of high defense bosses & randoms. In fact, if Terra goes down path 1, she's forced to only fight bosses that are unfriendly do Apocalypse. Omega? Omega can at least handle everything not named Isis. (Tangentially, Apocalypse only receives a 1.25x boost from Morph b/c of mechanics, but that means little to this argument depending on Apocalypse's damage).
I mean, yeah, I gotta playtest it, but HP / MP / Stam Terra all ready puts mag Terra out of a job. Now she looks to be doing a decent job of putting vig Terra out of a job.
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 26 July 2016 - 04:01 PM
#10
26 July 2016 - 04:20 PM
Also slightly more seriously, Kirin Locke is a hilarious damage dealer with an Omega/Valiant combo. Only loses a tiny amount of damage even at 1 hp due to Valiance's "Lost HP added to damage" mechanic and Kirin Locke having an approximately metric fuckton of health to work with.
Vigor Terra's biggest appeal is that she's only fighting one other character for vital gear instead of also Locke and Edgar, but I'm pretty solidly in the "Celes gets Illumina EVERY GODDAMN RUN" group so even then she has trouble.
#11
26 July 2016 - 04:21 PM
#12
26 July 2016 - 05:07 PM
It looks fine on paper for a second, but Omega is supposed to be Terra's bulky support build, not her mass damage build. It's way too close to Apocalypse in damage. And if one says "give vig Terra Smoke Bomb support," well why not give Omega Terra Smoke Bomb support?
I'll also reiterate my point that it's not just Omega. vig Te/Ce themselves aren't exactly all that great. If I could trade in Apocyllu in for a Crystal Orb or Minerva, I'd do so most playthroughs.
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I'm seriously tempted to try out dual-wielding Kirin Locke before something happens to Omega.
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 26 July 2016 - 05:07 PM
#13
26 July 2016 - 06:11 PM
what if we buffed apocalypse and illumina some more
and maybe figured out some tweaks to make to zantetsuk-
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#14
26 July 2016 - 06:17 PM
#15
26 July 2016 - 06:39 PM
Also, if the battle's important & the potential damage is high, Image support can nullify physical damage.
Lastly, while the design goal for stam Terra is to spam Morph, in practice, she's really HP / MP Terra, more about that raw HP, powerful elementals, & strong healing. This high stamina & this new Omega are just exquisite icings on an all ready delicious & high-quality cake. Morph only comes into play for boss battles, and half the time, Morph Terra wants to use a tier-3, not swing a weapon. HP / MP Terra has the MP to use said tier-3's, so she's all ready won half the battles. (You could game the system & EL reset for Bismark + Phoenix, ignoring Unicorn, but I wouldn't balance something assuming esper reset).
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 26 July 2016 - 06:39 PM
#16
26 July 2016 - 07:35 PM
#17
26 July 2016 - 09:24 PM
The problem I'm having with HP/MP/Stam Terra is that she's too versatile. She's good at everything. For any given style of play for Terra, HP/stam Terra is either as good or almost as good as the proper "builds" for said style of play, let alone excelling in the styles she's built for.
Let's take a 7 Unicorn, 7 Carbunkl, 7 Tritoch build:
- Bulky Healer? Check. This is stam Terra's speciality.
Defensive Mage? Check. stam Terra's 2nd specialty. Maduin's only giving +1 magic. Raw HP / MP is just as good.
Elemental Hammer? Check. Maduin does little for tier-3's, raw HP & MP is just as good.
Neutral DPS? Check. Morph Omega is great. Image support & ignoring defense means you'll outdo Apocalypse.
Ultima Spam? Check. Maduin's only giving +1 magic. Raw HP / MP is just as good, esp. for a bulkier Morph.
Paladin? Check. unMorph Omega is strong, defense-ignoring, & +12.5% HP; has actual MP for Cure 3 / Life 2.
Vig Terra? She's lost the DPS war. Is she a better Paladin? Not until she gets Apocalypse at the 3/4 point of the game, and even then, it's debatable.
Mag Terra? Morph Tier-3's is more about MP & equipment than actual magic ELs. Break's mainly useful for the Floating Continent, & a few +30 HP ELs is definitely more useful than a few +1 magic ELs then. Ultima is final battle only, and even then, it's debatable if mag Terra's actually "better" at spamming Ultima than Tank Terra.
"Stam" Terra has far too many goodies. The new Omega is more of a final nail in the coffin of Terra's other builds. They basically only exist for flavor right now.
#18
26 July 2016 - 09:51 PM
The other big thing is that the Omega Weapon still has that "damage based on current HP" problem that I think tends to get glossed over a bit more than it should.
#19
27 July 2016 - 01:02 AM
#20
27 July 2016 - 07:38 AM
BTB, on 26 July 2016 - 09:51 PM, said:
You're right, and I need to play with this new Omega for myself. My concern is just how big its numbers were, and...
BTB, on 26 July 2016 - 09:51 PM, said:
She's built around the concept, but in practice, Morph is more of an extra gimmick, not the main selling point of HP Terra. I don't know if many people do play her as "Morph often," but in truth, she has no need to Morph anymore often than the other two builds (just boss battles, really). Yet she still turns out much superior to the other two.
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 27 July 2016 - 07:39 AM