[Draykon]

How do I overcome the 8 eye in the Temple of the Ancients? Quake is the only spell I noticed do damage to them but it did around 1%. And that attack they do does half of my max life. I must be missing something here.

[Sega Chief]

Draykon, on 11 April 2016 - 05:52 AM, said:

How do I overcome the 8 eye in the Temple of the Ancients? Quake is the only spell I noticed do damage to them but it did around 1%. And that attack they do does half of my max life. I must be missing something here.

They're 1/2 resistant to Earth, and absorb Fire, Ice, and Bolt. They're weak to Water and Hidden, and can be hit by Gravity attacks. They've got very high defence for that point of the game, so using Gravity and defence-ignoring summons is the way to go. You can also inflict Stop on them, so Aeris' Seal Evil would be a good opener.

[Draykon]

Just finished Gaea's Cliff but forgot to get Beta. Looking at the "where is the thing" doc, it shows I can only get Beta in TotA and Gaea's Cliff. Am I really out of luck on getting Beta this playthrough?

[InfinityZERO]

Does anyone have advice for the Corel Train sequence (to beat it within 10 minutes)? I'm using Cid (mostly for Cover and de/buffs), Aeris (Magic Nukes), and Red 13 (Aeris lite) I've used a combination of Bolt 3 (with level 2 MP Turbo), Quake 3, Bad Breath (against each fight, but it is really useless), Demi 3 (Eagle Gun), Alpha, and Bio 3 ("Gilgamesh" fight at the end). I've even tried Remove. I've got basically all the stuff you can have at that point (sans Battle Arena and Chocobo racing rewards). I've even resorted to grinding to level up MP Turbo. What am I missing?

[Sega Chief]

InfinityZERO, on 10 May 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

Does anyone have advice for the Corel Train sequence (to beat it within 10 minutes)? I'm using Cid (mostly for Cover and de/buffs), Aeris (Magic Nukes), and Red 13 (Aeris lite) I've used a combination of Bolt 3 (with level 2 MP Turbo), Quake 3, Bad Breath (against each fight, but it is really useless), Demi 3 (Eagle Gun), Alpha, and Bio 3 ("Gilgamesh" fight at the end). I've even tried Remove. I've got basically all the stuff you can have at that point (sans Battle Arena and Chocobo racing rewards). I've even resorted to grinding to level up MP Turbo. What am I missing?

Here's some more detailed notes on each enemy group and the weaknesses they have which can greatly speed up the fights:

Spoiler

Gas Ducters can be hit with instant death, Stop, Petrify, etc. but as they only have 7000HP it's better to just rush them down with Bolt/Water-element physical attacks instead.

Wolfmeister; weak to bolt, water, earth. This guy can be insta-gibbed by Titan's petrify, or Neo-Bahamut's dual-drain can very quickly deplete his HP. Berserk can also prevent him from using his longer attack animations too. Higher physical defence, so spells might be better.

Eagle Gun: Can be hit with Stop which prevents him from acting at all. Lower physical defence, so weapons are the way to go.

Scorp: Dual-Drain from Neo-Bahamut is a good choice to deal with his 55,000HP. Slow is essential to prevent him from having too many turns, and he's weaker to physical attacks than spells. This is where the bulk of the time should go.

Train Driver: Poison can very quickly kill him, especially if it procs the status. A Dirty Bomb/Bio3 will get the status onto him and lead to a quick fight.

Also remember that ATB setting is important; it might be better to use ATB Wait on full speed so you can control the pace of the fight better. On Active, you'll find the enemy going turn for turn with your party which can drag things out. Setting battle text to high in the Config menu can also help buy some time during the Train Driver/Scorp fights.

[InfinityZERO]

I think I tried everything but your answer! I ended up grinding MP Turbo to either level 3 or 4 and using Aeris fully decked out with Dex and Magic sources, R13 acting as extra magic with support, and Cid Slowing and Barriering since his output without Elemental Lightning was too low. I avoided using Summons (except for Titan) because of how long they take, especially for the train section (reminds me of breaking routine advice from the Help trio). I even tried the ATB settings.

My Kiss of Death did not work on the first battle, so I avoided using it. Bad Breath sorta worked. I forget that Dual and Poison aren't the same thing, so I figure if Poison fails, so will Dual. Killing the Train Driver was easy, it's just by the time the Scorpion was finished, I would have a minute left and then it would start talking. Demi 2 and Bio 3 would kill the driver in an instant.

Thanks for the help. I think I know why the future Proud Clod fight took so long since I figured Dual is Poisonish. Hey, since most of the weaknesses make sense (Poison kills humans, Lightning/Earth/Water hurts electronics, Holy kills Jenova/Evil things, WEAPONS absorb Holy since the Planet created them) how would you suggest thinking about Dual as a status? I wouldn't guessed using Dual against high HP things.

[Sega Chief]

InfinityZERO, on 17 May 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

I think I tried everything but your answer! I ended up grinding MP Turbo to either level 3 or 4 and using Aeris fully decked out with Dex and Magic sources, R13 acting as extra magic with support, and Cid Slowing and Barriering since his output without Elemental Lightning was too low. I avoided using Summons (except for Titan) because of how long they take, especially for the train section (reminds me of breaking routine advice from the Help trio). I even tried the ATB settings.

My Kiss of Death did not work on the first battle, so I avoided using it. Bad Breath sorta worked. I forget that Dual and Poison aren't the same thing, so I figure if Poison fails, so will Dual. Killing the Train Driver was easy, it's just by the time the Scorpion was finished, I would have a minute left and then it would start talking. Demi 2 and Bio 3 would kill the driver in an instant.

Thanks for the help. I think I know why the future Proud Clod fight took so long since I figured Dual is Poisonish. Hey, since most of the weaknesses make sense (Poison kills humans, Lightning/Earth/Water hurts electronics, Holy kills Jenova/Evil things, WEAPONS absorb Holy since the Planet created them) how would you suggest thinking about Dual as a status? I wouldn't guessed using Dual against high HP things.

Dual is a tricky one; it works best at low level as it'll reduce HP by the same proportion regardless of enemy HP (unless it exceeds several hundred thousand, in which case it seems to have a 'cap' of some kind). I left more enemies vulnerable to Dual than you might expect (along with other statuses) pretty much because a lot of people don't expect them to be weak to statuses by that point; something I learned from Gjoerulv's Hardcore mod, it feels better if there's a nice surprise status you can use to get the upper hand on an otherwise tough boss fight.

[Robo Jesus]

Ok, I'm not sure what is up with this, but anytime I fight Ziegfried my game crashes. I'm right before the Bottomswell fight near Junon (new game with 1.4 and all that). It crashes right after I defeat him and the game moves to loading a new area. Given that, I get this feeling that there may be an area-loading error involved here.

EDIT; Ok, I finally got the battle to play through like it should and the area to load. So either I have insanely bad luck (a good possibility), or something about the Ziegfried fight can cause the game to crash horribly. Bleh.

[InfinityZERO]

Robo Jesus, on 30 May 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

Ok, I'm not sure what is up with this, but anytime I fight Ziegfried my game crashes. I'm right before the Bottomswell fight near Junon (new game with 1.4 and all that). It crashes right after I defeat him and the game moves to loading a new area. Given that, I get this feeling that there may be an area-loading error involved here.

EDIT; Ok, I finally got the battle to play through like it should and the area to load. So either I have insanely bad luck (a good possibility), or something about the Ziegfried fight can cause the game to crash horribly. Bleh.

Do you have the hotfix patches installed?

[Sega Chief]

Robo Jesus, on 30 May 2016 - 07:51 AM, said:

Ok, I'm not sure what is up with this, but anytime I fight Ziegfried my game crashes. I'm right before the Bottomswell fight near Junon (new game with 1.4 and all that). It crashes right after I defeat him and the game moves to loading a new area. Given that, I get this feeling that there may be an area-loading error involved here.

EDIT; Ok, I finally got the battle to play through like it should and the area to load. So either I have insanely bad luck (a good possibility), or something about the Ziegfried fight can cause the game to crash horribly. Bleh.

Given that the memory leak happens during this transition to make Yuffie Warping possible, the cause might depend on something that's occurred elsewhere (previous game overs, previously playing music, etc). Were there any other mods installed or is it just NT?

[Robo Jesus]

Sega Chief, on 01 June 2016 - 08:34 AM, said:

Given that the memory leak happens during this transition to make Yuffie Warping possible, the cause might depend on something that's occurred elsewhere (previous game overs, previously playing music, etc). Were there any other mods installed or is it just NT?

Just NT. And I tend to close FF7 because I'm already aware of and don't want those sorts of issues (plus it lets me more accurately guage what enemies have what items when stealing).

[Sega Chief]

Robo Jesus, on 01 June 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

Just NT. And I tend to close FF7 because I'm already aware of and don't want those sorts of issues (plus it lets me more accurately guage what enemies have what items when stealing).

There seem to be odd instances of random (well not random, but insistent) crashing happening that then vanishes. It must be something to do with Steam or the way FF7 Steam works with its online stuff. Maybe the hooks to check for achievements?

[Robo Jesus]

Sega Chief, on 07 June 2016 - 08:14 PM, said:

There seem to be odd instances of random (well not random, but insistent) crashing happening that then vanishes. It must be something to do with Steam or the way FF7 Steam works with its online stuff. Maybe the hooks to check for achievements?

My computer is an old potato, and I barely trust it to run software that is almost twenty years out of date.

So no, I doubt it's an issue with "Steam" as I don't have that. I'm leaning towards the "Never buy lottery tickets or an airplane may crash on top of my house" variety of bad luck I seem to have. :shrugs:

Anyways, now I'm dealing with Proud Clod freezing. Gonna have to figure out what in the hell I can do to avoid that. And yes, I have the current "NT 1.4 HotFix Flevel" installed. >_<

EDIT; Ok, not attacking the middle part seems to have bypassed that issue. That said, is the "Grosspanzer-Mobile" that shows up after the Proud Clod supposed to be unkillable? Items do not work, physical attacks do not work, status effects do not work, summons do not work, magic does not work. It is literally (not metaphorically) unkillable, and I have found nothing that bypasses that.

[Sega Chief]

Robo Jesus, on 09 June 2016 - 06:28 PM, said:

My computer is an old potato, and I barely trust it to run software that is almost twenty years out of date.

So no, I doubt it's an issue with "Steam" as I don't have that. I'm leaning towards the "Never buy lottery tickets or an airplane may crash on top of my house" variety of bad luck I seem to have. :shrugs:

Anyways, now I'm dealing with Proud Clod freezing. Gonna have to figure out what in the hell I can do to avoid that. And yes, I have the current "NT 1.4 HotFix Flevel" installed. >_<

EDIT; Ok, not attacking the middle part seems to have bypassed that issue. That said, is the "Grosspanzer-Mobile" that shows up after the Proud Clod supposed to be unkillable? Items do not work, physical attacks do not work, status effects do not work, summons do not work, magic does not work. It is literally (not metaphorically) unkillable, and I have found nothing that bypasses that.

If it's an old PC, then it might just be having trouble with the game; there used to be a lot of threads about getting the game to run on really old machines on Qhimm; if you're using Aali's Graphics Driver then it's likely a performance issue though I hear tell that the original unmodded game without the Driver can be very buggy.

Grosspanzer though is an NT problem; that's due to the AI flags not passing correctly; have you tried the scene hotfix patch? I had a quick stab at fixing it. The flevel patch is for game script rather than enemies. I might just have the giant turret pass vuln to the main body in future instead, bypassing the two small turrets and the headaches.

[Robo Jesus]

Sega Chief, on 10 June 2016 - 07:44 AM, said:

If it's an old PC, then it might just be having trouble with the game; there used to be a lot of threads about getting the game to run on really old machines on Qhimm; if you're using Aali's Graphics Driver then it's likely a performance issue though I hear tell that the original unmodded game without the Driver can be very buggy.

Grosspanzer though is an NT problem; that's due to the AI flags not passing correctly; have you tried the scene hotfix patch? I had a quick stab at fixing it. The flevel patch is for game script rather than enemies. I might just have the giant turret pass vuln to the main body in future instead, bypassing the two small turrets and the headaches.

Well, it's not that old, but yeah, it can run old games just fine (Half-life, FF7, Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, Neverwinter Nights 1, Dungeons Keeper 2, Playstation emulator and games, etc.), it just can't fun anything graphics heavy or newer (It can run Morrowind, but not Oblivion, as an example).

Also, it seems that with Proud Clod and Hojo, too many multi-enemy attacks (Shinra Bomb, Fletcher Rockets, Bird Wing, etc.) seems to have caused it to freeze as it was doing for me. No clue why either. And no Aali Driver installed.

And huh, no, I didn't realize the bigger patch didn't include the issues the smaller patch dealt with. I'll add that to things then. Already past Midgar, but useful info to know. ^_^