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#1 Hart-Hunt

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02 January 2015 - 12:53 PM

The Extra Folders are folders that you receive throughout the course of the story. You can equip them, and that's it, you cannot edit them in any way. More importantly, you can choose any of them in Day 7 for the N1 battles. Also, the extra folders become essential in the post-game, as you must use your picked extra folder for the Serenade Time Trials (where you each Navi under a set time).

Everyone is invited to brainstorm the concept or even suggest chips for the folders listed.
These are the Extra Folders in the game, and the concept I'm aiming for each of them:

[Link to the Extra Folders: (CLICK here!!)]

ExtraFolder - The first Extra Folder you get. Weak in power, but with only 5 codes, and filled with * wildcards, it's a dependable folder that can get you out of trouble. LifeSword is thrown in there for what it is, an early ace under the sleeve.
PreliminaryFolder - You are set with this Folder for the preliminaries. It has 5 codes as well, but chips that aren't as popular, and little to no * wildcards, making the player think outside of the box and depend on his abilities to improvise. GelRain and H-Burst could turn the tide of a battle if you care to wait for them.
HadesFolder - The folder you get for the HadesComp segment, and the battle against MetalMan in the N1. This folder is all about raw damage (it has the most potential damage without even counting the Program Advances), but it's filled with codes (8 in total). Poor fluidity, but it can pack a punch. Make good use of each single chip, and you'll be dealing equal or more damage than with other folders.
N1-FolderA - One of the folders you can choose for your battle against GutsMan. This is the one you have to make a Quiz for. FolderA resembles Custom Style, having a very poor damage potential, because it relies on both its PAs, and its fluidity (only 2 codes and lots of * wildcards).
N1-FolderB - One of the folders you can choose for your battle against GutsMan. FolderB resembles both Shield and Shadow Style, with many defensive chips and some strong individual Recovers. Also, it has a huge potential for a quick turnaround, with the almighty Program Advance EverCurse. If your playstyle is about enduring and counter attacking, this is your folder.
N1-FolderC - One of the folders you can choose for your battle against GutsMan. FolderC resembles GutsStyle, with chips used to control the battlefield around the player. RockArm, BigWave, Knight, Geddon, Shake, all of those are intended to be used as a mean to control the battle, and they succeed at it. With its fluidity and its 2 powerful PAs, this is one of the Folders with the most potential, but it's hard to master.
N1-FolderD - One of the folders you can choose for your battle against GutsMan. FolderD resembles Team Style. This folder is a very special one, because it has no less than 12 MegaChips, 10 of them being Navi chips. As you might know, the default number of MegaChips is 5 in a folder, so before you choose this folder, be sure to have selected your previous extra folder, and only then make the switch, to have this folder preselected, effectively hacking the Battle Network rules. As broken as this concept sounds, it is far from it, because it suffers from the same problem as the Hades Folder: poor fluidity. But another cool thing about Mega Chips is that they dim the screen, so you only need to target them for a single instant. If you're one of those who prefer to tank the battle until you can hit the "Win" button, this is your folder.
FamousFoldr - Mr. Famous is all about teaching their students, and so he prepared this folder that can be used a thousand times, and only then you might being to understand its true potential. Fluidity is a weird case here, because while there's many * wildcard chips, half of them are useless unless you pack them into the powerful MasterStyle PA. Asides from that, he's added two more PAs, each used in its own way, and he's also added powerful chips that can't be simply "used", but have to be planned. Good PAs, good chips, decent fluidity, but still hard to use. A misterious folder that only a few will dare to master and succeed at it.
ApprenticeFolder - Swords. Did someone say swords? Yes, swords. Who as a BN fan hasn't ever tried a swords based folder? This folder is difficult to use, because of the lack of range of the swords, but it has an amazing potential, with the most amount of PAs out there. Z-Step1, Z-Step2, ElemSword, EvilCut all thrown in there, but the gimmick is that you only get PanelGrabs to use them. However, one of the beauty about sword based PAs is that their single chips are as good as the PA itself, so it has tons of fluidity. This one is one of the hardest to master as well.

Note: The Damage estimated for each folder is not the *maximum* damage it can do. It doesn't consider Program Advances, and whenever there's a chip that does multiple hits, I didn't consider that every hit connected. So take the number with caution, it's considered as a practical use, not the max damage output.

#2 Hart-Hunt

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17 January 2015 - 12:30 PM

I'll be posting the Extra Folders I've already designed, so people can see them / comment on them / not five a fluck about it.

Please note that the attack power is based on the rebalanced chips, and not the vanilla values.

#3 Hart-Hunt

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06 February 2015 - 09:54 AM

I have every single extra folder designed and tested, but there's still one problem I need to figure out.

After doing Tora's BBS jobs (jeez, what a stupid part in the plot that was), you get a second, customizable folder with 30 chips inside it. What should I do with that folder?

Basically, the 30 chips that I put in there would be a free gift for the player. I'm considering adding the 3 essential * chips in any folder (FastGauge, FullCust, and FolderBack), but I'm not sure yet. Another idea would be to add chips that can't be gotten from enemies, like BlackBomb, Invis, Repair and others.

Keep in mind that I'll also be redesigning all of the Mistery Datas.

So yeah, can you guys help me with that? I'm kind of lost, because the original folder sucks, and I kinda want to not only give the player the free chips (without overdoing it with too many powerful chips), but also give him an idea for a folder that he might not have thought of.

#4 Augestein

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09 February 2015 - 06:25 PM

Apprentice I like outside of those panel grabs by themselves. It reminds me of a folder I made in MMBN2 except I had panel grabs with area grabs. The idea was to try to combo area grabs with panel grabs to make the grid something like this:
M = Mine
X = Enemy

MMMMXX
MMMMXX
MMMMMX
That way for the most part, the enemy didn't have much room to move out of range. Step Sword was in case someone had revenge in their folder and I knew or if they decided to start breaking panels.

Right now I don't remember most of the folders but I will say for the first one that Dad gives Lan, it just shouldn't be the first folder, because as it stands, you can make the folder on your own simply by not changing anything.

One idea that you could do is make it have some of the stuff that you can buy in the first couple of stores and a couple of cannons ... Sort of like a "hey, this is what you could have if you actually bought stuff from the stores rather than using a random mash-up of drops that you found..." :wallbash:

(Guilty. As. Charged.)

Also, is Lifesword in MMBN3? I can't remember. I loved that chip.

#5 Hart-Hunt

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09 February 2015 - 07:14 PM

Augestein, on 09 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

Apprentice I like outside of those panel grabs by themselves. It reminds me of a folder I made in MMBN2 except I had panel grabs with area grabs.
hanging anything.

I don't like Area Locking being a thing, so I try to limit it. Especially in an extra folder.

Augestein, on 09 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

One idea that you could do is make it have some of the stuff that you can buy in the first couple of stores and a couple of cannons ... Sort of like a "hey, this is what you could have if you actually bought stuff from the stores rather than using a random mash-up of drops that you found..." :wallbash:

(Guilty. As. Charged.)

I fancy that idea, but I'm not sure how I'd pull that off. I'll see what I can do, I'll most lkely try to do that.

Augestein, on 09 February 2015 - 06:25 PM, said:

Also, is Lifesword in MMBN3? I can't remember. I loved that chip.

A chip? No, it's a program advance since BN2. Sword, WideSword, LongSword.

#6 Augestein

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09 February 2015 - 08:22 PM

I mean VarSword. LifeSword was the program advance, I think it did like 600 damage or something crazy? I know that's probably nerfed (I think I remember you saying something about that).

Okay, I'm really racking my brain trying to remember stuff about this. It's been so long.

#7 Hart-Hunt

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09 February 2015 - 09:04 PM

LifeSword dealt 400, it now deals 300 because it can get it at the beginning of the game basically. It still wrecks pretty well. There's more than one LifeSword in BN2, the third tier dealt 600 damage there.

There's VarSword in BN3, and it's fucking powerful. The B, B, Left, Down, Up combo is the game breaker in vanilla, with 4 elemental sonic booms of 160 damage each. Right now the chip was nerfed to 60 damage, but I'll upgrade it to 80 for the next version because 60 is waaay too much.

It's okay, BN games are repetitive, so it's common to mix these kind of stuff up.

#8 Hart-Hunt

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12 February 2015 - 12:06 PM

Edited the OP!!

Added a link to a sheet with contains all of the Extra Folders, and also expanded the concept of each extra folder!! Be sure to check it out!!

#9 JCOnyx

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14 February 2015 - 08:28 AM

Just a quick question, will you be editing the text at all so people know in-game how the N1-FolderD works?

Also, I really want to help you come up with some ideas for Folder2, but I've just been really busy as of late. I'll try to get back to you sometime later this coming week.

#10 Hart-Hunt

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14 February 2015 - 02:40 PM

Yeah, I guess I should edit the text so the player knows. Luckily it doesn't actually do any glitch, the game is coded well in those strange cases.

Don't worry about it, your brain storming will help me out a lot, even if it takes a bit for you to settle. I'm designing / nodding the rest of the game in the mean time, nadie I hindú Wong be amor to ser dejar the player will need until I design the rewards/mystery data.

#11 hance

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25 February 2015 - 09:00 AM

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nadie I hindú Wong be amor to ser dejar the player will need until I design the rewards/mystery data.

Ya don't say.

#12 Stann

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25 February 2015 - 09:02 AM

Hart-Hunt, on 14 February 2015 - 02:40 PM, said:

From Google Translate:

I'm designing / nodding the rest of the game in the mean time , no Hindu Wong I love to be let be the player will need Until I design the rewards / mystery data.

#13 Hart-Hunt

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27 February 2015 - 10:59 AM

After testing, the Extra Folder needs a bit of a nerf in its damage output, though the concept is pretty spot on. I'll blend it a bit more with vanilla's Extra Folder, only in the sense that it makes it a bit worse than the rest of the extra folders in terms of damage output.

Also, I still haven't decided what to do with Folder2, which you get in... I wanna say Day 8, I don't even remember at this point. What I'll most likely do is mod the formations until then, and test what chips the player could use that aren't found in shops / BMDs. I might include some S-Rank drops from existing viruses, to show the player some of the good codes he can find by trying to S-Rank some battles. That'll also give him the clues to properly S-Rank said battles.

...Yeah. That's fixing two problems in one decision.