How are you changing that fight?
I mean, it's already unwinnable. Maybe you can make it more epic somehow?
Unwinnable Garr 1 v 1
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20 October 2013 - 02:25 PM
Archael, on 20 October 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:
How are you changing that fight?
I mean, it's already unwinnable. Maybe you can make it more epic somehow?
I mean, it's already unwinnable. Maybe you can make it more epic somehow?
I second this.
If you would make it even more unwinnable that would help a lot. It needs as much unwinnability as possible, especially if people can't win it in its current state.
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20 October 2013 - 06:45 PM
FFTA, on 20 October 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:
I second this.
If you would make it even more unwinnable that would help a lot. It needs as much unwinnability as possible, especially if people can't win it in its current state.
If you would make it even more unwinnable that would help a lot. It needs as much unwinnability as possible, especially if people can't win it in its current state.
I honestly haven't given it much thought. I've got a lot on my plate right now irl so progress may be a little slow for now.
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21 October 2013 - 12:00 PM
It always jarred me how strong Garr is 1v1 and how weak he is when he joins you 
When i saw him join my part back when i played the game for the first time i was like HELL YEAH
And then i saw he only had 100ish hp, i had this sinking feeling of betrayal :*( Stopped playing BoF3 right after that boss battle and didn't come back until after a few years.
/crai
When i saw him join my part back when i played the game for the first time i was like HELL YEAH
And then i saw he only had 100ish hp, i had this sinking feeling of betrayal :*( Stopped playing BoF3 right after that boss battle and didn't come back until after a few years.
/crai
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21 October 2013 - 12:37 PM
Of course you can't have the impossible version joining. That'd be the Orlandu of Breath of Fire III. Terrible.
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21 October 2013 - 12:53 PM
So Garr would be like Peco? 
And yeah plot powers like that happen in most JRPGs, like Beatrix from FF9 or Leon from ToD.
And yeah plot powers like that happen in most JRPGs, like Beatrix from FF9 or Leon from ToD.
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22 October 2013 - 12:54 AM
Angel, on 21 October 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:
Of course you can't have the impossible version joining. That'd be the Orlandu of Breath of Fire III. Terrible.
The game is rather inconsistent though. It's kinda boring when you fight a very, very hard character that later joins and for no apparent reason becomes a weakling. It would be one thing if there was an explanation to the loss of power, but it's a sheer disappointment when there isn't.
I completely understand the feeling of betrayal maxi felt. Bad design is bad.
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22 October 2013 - 03:15 AM
Kaffe Myers, on 22 October 2013 - 12:54 AM, said:
I completely understand the feeling of betrayal maxi felt. Bad design is bad.
Perhaps give him the normal stats, but flag him with every possible positive status there is.
Reprisal, Dodge, Lucky Strike, Regen, Poison.
And before someone asks, Poison stacked with Regen as far as the enemy is concerned is a buff. Poison makes you take 75% damage in return for that damage tick each turn. If you watch my Dragon Trial LP you'll see that I use it against Nue 1 to take less damage. When you stack that with Regen, it effectively eliminates the damage tick and actually still nails them a net gain of HP each turn.
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22 October 2013 - 12:51 PM
Really???
I had no idea poison reduced damage by 25%.
I had no idea poison reduced damage by 25%.
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22 October 2013 - 01:01 PM
Archael, on 22 October 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:
Really???
I had no idea poison reduced damage by 25%.
I had no idea poison reduced damage by 25%.
Most people don't.
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22 October 2013 - 01:45 PM
Archael, on 22 October 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:
Really???
I had no idea poison reduced damage by 25%.
I had no idea poison reduced damage by 25%.
I had no idea, either. It's pretty fucking weird if you ask me.
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22 October 2013 - 02:53 PM
Angel, on 22 October 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:
I had no idea, either. It's pretty fucking weird if you ask me.
Unintentional as it may be, it's a pretty nice little tradeoff. Consider for a moment that you're fighting a boss with a fucking ton of HP. That damage tick per turn on top of the (reduced) damage you're now doing to them may actually end up to be more than before. On the other hand, I can see it being a viable strategy to poison a boss while you heal up and prepare (buffs and the like), then cure it before you start wailing on them.
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22 October 2013 - 10:11 PM
The (de)buff is pretty cool, but calling it poison doesn't make much sense. If anything, you should take 25% more damage. 
Is there a more neutral name that would fit better, so one doesn't get fooled by the name of the skill? Something that more says "there's a tradeoff" than "YOU'RE GONNA DIE!".
Is there a more neutral name that would fit better, so one doesn't get fooled by the name of the skill? Something that more says "there's a tradeoff" than "YOU'RE GONNA DIE!".
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23 October 2013 - 10:00 AM
Kaffe Myers, on 22 October 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:
The (de)buff is pretty cool, but calling it poison doesn't make much sense. If anything, you should take 25% more damage.
Is there a more neutral name that would fit better, so one doesn't get fooled by the name of the skill? Something that more says "there's a tradeoff" than "YOU'RE GONNA DIE!".
Is there a more neutral name that would fit better, so one doesn't get fooled by the name of the skill? Something that more says "there's a tradeoff" than "YOU'RE GONNA DIE!".
It's not the name so much as the status itself.
Best I can do is educate people.
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06 November 2013 - 02:11 AM
maxi, on 21 October 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:
It always jarred me how strong Garr is 1v1 and how weak he is when he joins you
Something I might do for this battle is give him some of the abilities he learns naturally -- his new ones.
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06 November 2013 - 02:42 AM
Maybe he could have something that straight up counters Accession?
AP drains and Resist are both strong.
AP drains and Resist are both strong.
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06 November 2013 - 02:49 AM
maxi, on 06 November 2013 - 02:42 AM, said:
Maybe he could have something that straight up counters Accession?
AP drains and Resist are both strong.
AP drains and Resist are both strong.
Way ahead of you on that one. Resist is actually one of the abilities he learns naturally.
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03 February 2014 - 12:47 PM
I say you make it "winnable" but with a scripted defeat if possible.
Give Garr a set amount of HP limit to reach, to have him end the battle. By "winning" I think it should give a boost to Ryu's over all stats (be creative, + in STR, DEF, etc.)
However, make the battle optional to win, so if you lose, you just don't get the stat boost, and the game continues normally.
kind of makes the battle feel a bit more epic and useful and that Ryu "put up a fight" for at least something lol.
Give Garr a set amount of HP limit to reach, to have him end the battle. By "winning" I think it should give a boost to Ryu's over all stats (be creative, + in STR, DEF, etc.)
However, make the battle optional to win, so if you lose, you just don't get the stat boost, and the game continues normally.
kind of makes the battle feel a bit more epic and useful and that Ryu "put up a fight" for at least something lol.
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03 February 2014 - 12:50 PM
ForTheRobot, on 03 February 2014 - 12:47 PM, said:
I say you make it "winnable" but with a scripted defeat if possible.
Give Garr a set amount of HP to reach limit, to have him end the battle. By "winning" I think it should give a boost to Ryu's over all stats (be creative)
However, make the battle optional to win, so if you lose, you just don't get the stat boost, and the game continues normally.
Give Garr a set amount of HP to reach limit, to have him end the battle. By "winning" I think it should give a boost to Ryu's over all stats (be creative)
However, make the battle optional to win, so if you lose, you just don't get the stat boost, and the game continues normally.
That wouldn't work. I could make it so that once Garr crosses a certain HP threshold, he becomes death incarnate, but the drops would have to be stat items, at which point you could give them to whoever you wished.
