In all seriousness, mad props LandonRay. This is something that I am going to devote some time to for sure in the coming months.
I just watched the Trance Kuja video
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24 April 2012 - 09:39 PM
Double Flare Star, nuff said.
In all seriousness, mad props LandonRay. This is something that I am going to devote some time to for sure in the coming months.
In all seriousness, mad props LandonRay. This is something that I am going to devote some time to for sure in the coming months.
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25 April 2012 - 10:24 AM
Thanks! I'd recommend waiting for v0.9 before starting a playthrough.
On a side note, I'm looking really forward to playing Dancing Mad one of these days (when all my free time isn't being devoted to this working on this mod) it looks like a lot of fun!
On a side note, I'm looking really forward to playing Dancing Mad one of these days (when all my free time isn't being devoted to this working on this mod) it looks like a lot of fun!
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28 April 2012 - 03:12 PM
Haha yeah, the Trance Kuja video made me so happy...the older FF games had bosses with attacks that could kill you outright or weaken your entire team, Kuja felt really lacking in that regard. I'm likely going to pick up the game at 0.9 and try it out myself .gif)
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23 February 2013 - 12:18 PM
I just defeated Trance Kuja on version 1.01..after about 20+ tries. Damn that was HARD! But happy about it! So, you can imagine my face when Necron shows up and throws Neutron Ring, 5000 dmg to everyone...and yes, I had a save state at the Hill of despair, but in my shock I accidently pressed new savestate on the game over screen...
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08 April 2013 - 03:02 AM
hedgehog pie, on 23 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:
I just defeated Trance Kuja on version 1.01..after about 20+ tries. Damn that was HARD! But happy about it! So, you can imagine my face when Necron shows up and throws Neutron Ring, 5000 dmg to everyone...and yes, I had a save state at the Hill of despair, but in my shock I accidently pressed new savestate on the game over screen...
So, how did you do it?
A single Flare Star kills my two 99 optimally-equiped mages. Not two mention double Flare star, wich just kills everyone without remedy.
So, either Quina is a mandatory character for Mighty Guard, it comes down to luck, or I'm missing something.
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08 April 2013 - 01:47 PM
Flare Star's damage depends on your level x 40, so high levels is actually a bad thing. I did beat Trance Kuja with Mighty Guard but I don't think it's necessary at normal level. If you're 99 then you probably need it.
Note that you don't need to be 99 to beat the game, not even for Ozma.
Note that you don't need to be 99 to beat the game, not even for Ozma.
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08 April 2013 - 10:13 PM
XtraT, on 08 April 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:
Flare Star's damage depends on your level x 40, so high levels is actually a bad thing. I did beat Trance Kuja with Mighty Guard but I don't think it's necessary at normal level. If you're 99 then you probably need it.
Note that you don't need to be 99 to beat the game, not even for Ozma.
Note that you don't need to be 99 to beat the game, not even for Ozma.
Yeah, but since I found an extremely fast way to grind, I said to myself "why the fuck not? Just this time". I normally hate grinding. I guess it serves me well. I should have sticked to my convictions
But... I should confirm this, but I think I would have noticed if it damaged everyone equally. It should take 3960 HP to each character, but I remember it damaging everyone in the order of 5000+, and not everyone equally...
I will check it, because it would not be the first time my mmory fails me, but is there any chace this attack has been modified?
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09 April 2013 - 02:55 AM
Flare Star is now Level x65 in damage. I just beat him last night at level 66 and it did 4290 to everyone.
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09 April 2013 - 04:39 AM
Yup, all versions of Flare Star now deal damage in the amount of Level x65. High HP characters should be able to survive Flare Star with some HP boosts. The best way for lower HP characters to deal with Flare Star is evasion (physical, I believe) and level. Your chance to evade the attack is approximately character level - 76 + evasion.
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09 April 2013 - 05:05 AM
LandonRay, on 09 April 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:
Yup, all versions of Flare Star now deal damage in the amount of Level x65. High HP characters should be able to survive Flare Star with some HP boosts. The best way for lower HP characters to deal with Flare Star is evasion (physical, I believe) and level. Your chance to evade the attack is approximately character level - 76 + evasion.
Holy shit.
That explains it.
My high-HP characters can survive one, and bringing evasion into play, my party can manage a Flare Star and end up with 2-4 characters alive.
Double Flare Star spamming? That's another story. I can try this weekend, play with the equipment and bet everything to evasion, but I'm still not very optimistic. We are talking a possible 12870 damage to everyone EVERY FUCKING TURN.
How lucky can one be?
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09 April 2013 - 05:48 AM
Double Flare Star is a combination of Trance Kuja casting Flare Star on his turn and using it as a counter attack, and this only happens when his HP is low.
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LandonRay, on 09 April 2013 - 05:48 AM, said:
Double Flare Star is a combination of Trance Kuja casting Flare Star on his turn and using it as a counter attack, and this only happens when his HP is low.
So, I almost had him
Ok, didn't know that either, so, I can keep him from doing a DFS as long as I stay put...
Last question: how low must his HP be in order to counter with FS? If I can strike him down with a couple of reflectx2 flares, I start to see how this is doable, even at Level 99.
Also, I didn't say it before, but congrats on the patch. I think is the best of the ones I played (VII, VIII, IX). Really enjoyed it.
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09 April 2013 - 07:06 AM
Thanks!
I believe he starts counter attacking when his HP is around 50% (approx. 27,000), then the probability of a counter attack increases considerably when his HP is low (approx. 13,000). He can counter with either Curaga or Flare Star, however if he has Reflect up he will only counter with Flare Star.
Those number are just a best guess, I'd have to actually check to be more accurate. It could be 36,000 and 18,000.
Personally, I tend to take out most of his health with fully focused Reflect x2 Flares. However, having Amarant equipped with Power Throw, fully buffed with Empower, and throwing Ultima Swords also works quite well.
Also, watch out for Necron. He is the third most powerful enemy in the game, behind Hades and Ozma.
I believe he starts counter attacking when his HP is around 50% (approx. 27,000), then the probability of a counter attack increases considerably when his HP is low (approx. 13,000). He can counter with either Curaga or Flare Star, however if he has Reflect up he will only counter with Flare Star.
Those number are just a best guess, I'd have to actually check to be more accurate. It could be 36,000 and 18,000.
Personally, I tend to take out most of his health with fully focused Reflect x2 Flares. However, having Amarant equipped with Power Throw, fully buffed with Empower, and throwing Ultima Swords also works quite well.
Also, watch out for Necron. He is the third most powerful enemy in the game, behind Hades and Ozma.
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09 April 2013 - 07:12 AM
I'm more interested in knowing if you can beat Ozma at lvl 99 lol
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The main reason I prefer to be at level 99 is so that everyone (except sometimes for Vivi and Eiko) can survive Curse and so Flare Star's accuracy is as low as possible. At which point the problem becomes Meteor, but mainly the problem is him casting Meteor, Curse, Doomsday, or Flare Star on consecutive turns which does happen more if your entire party is at level 99. Luckily damaging Ozma is easy, especially since he is vulnerable to LV3Def-Less.
Next time I play through FFIX I'll need to tweak some things. Ozma for instance.
Edit: I'd do it now, but I'm working of FFX and thinking about working on FFX-2.
Next time I play through FFIX I'll need to tweak some things. Ozma for instance.
Edit: I'd do it now, but I'm working of FFX and thinking about working on FFX-2.
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09 April 2013 - 09:28 AM
I beat Ozma with a 85'ish party, don't nerf!
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As a whole I'm not planning on it, however Meteor didn't quite turn out the way I wanted it. I'm not sure what happened, maybe I simply miscalculated the damage.
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LandonRay, on 09 April 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:
Thanks!
I believe he starts counter attacking when his HP is around 50% (approx. 27,000), then the probability of a counter attack increases considerably when his HP is low (approx. 13,000). He can counter with either Curaga or Flare Star, however if he has Reflect up he will only counter with Flare Star.
Those number are just a best guess, I'd have to actually check to be more accurate. It could be 36,000 and 18,000.
Personally, I tend to take out most of his health with fully focused Reflect x2 Flares. However, having Amarant equipped with Power Throw, fully buffed with Empower, and throwing Ultima Swords also works quite well.
Also, watch out for Necron. He is the third most powerful enemy in the game, behind Hades and Ozma.
I believe he starts counter attacking when his HP is around 50% (approx. 27,000), then the probability of a counter attack increases considerably when his HP is low (approx. 13,000). He can counter with either Curaga or Flare Star, however if he has Reflect up he will only counter with Flare Star.
Those number are just a best guess, I'd have to actually check to be more accurate. It could be 36,000 and 18,000.
Personally, I tend to take out most of his health with fully focused Reflect x2 Flares. However, having Amarant equipped with Power Throw, fully buffed with Empower, and throwing Ultima Swords also works quite well.
Also, watch out for Necron. He is the third most powerful enemy in the game, behind Hades and Ozma.
I beat Hades and found him definetly easier than Kuja lol
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09 April 2013 - 09:56 AM
Both Doomsday and Meteor would 1 shot my non Mighty Guard characters, but if you get a little lucky he's beatable with a certain setup. The problem is he won't use his weaker attacks if you don't have the proper level.
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Rascanuvols, on 08 April 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:
So, how did you do it?
A single Flare Star kills my two 99 optimally-equiped mages. Not two mention double Flare star, wich just kills everyone without remedy.
So, either Quina is a mandatory character for Mighty Guard, it comes down to luck, or I'm missing something.
A single Flare Star kills my two 99 optimally-equiped mages. Not two mention double Flare star, wich just kills everyone without remedy.
So, either Quina is a mandatory character for Mighty Guard, it comes down to luck, or I'm missing something.
My party:
Zidane lvl 67
Steiner lvl 59
Eiko lvl 51
Freya lvl 58
Auto-Haste and dmg buffs for Zidane, Ultima Weapon absorbs Holy dmg
Steiner had high magic eva and auto-reflect to counter Flare and Holy
Eiko had Angel flute to absorb Holy dmg
Freya had also high magic eva and auto-reflect to counter Flare and Holy.
I casted Luna with Freya to Zidane to get more attack pwr, then kept spamming him with Eiko's Might. Steiner used Shock. Freya was supporter with White Draw and phoenix downs. I had some luck also.
