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19 April 2016 - 04:10 AM
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Probably gonna change build guide (vig Celes) to reflect that. No reason to have builds saying "5 Crusader" when Crusader comes almost as late as Ragnarok.
Probably gonna change build guide (vig Celes) to reflect that. No reason to have builds saying "5 Crusader" when Crusader comes almost as late as Ragnarok.
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19 April 2016 - 05:53 AM
Updated build text.
[See "Build Reference Sheet" topic]
Mainly consolidated Celes' vigor builds, eliminated the two curiosity builds (Siren + Crusader & Siren + Phantom), and touched up her magic builds. Biggest change is that I've re-labeled Ramuh Celes as a Red Mage, using Ramuh + Seraph (identifying her weakness as a lack of specialization). Magic Celes, particularly Siren + Seraph, is probably still the favored build in that guide.
[See "Build Reference Sheet" topic]
Mainly consolidated Celes' vigor builds, eliminated the two curiosity builds (Siren + Crusader & Siren + Phantom), and touched up her magic builds. Biggest change is that I've re-labeled Ramuh Celes as a Red Mage, using Ramuh + Seraph (identifying her weakness as a lack of specialization). Magic Celes, particularly Siren + Seraph, is probably still the favored build in that guide.
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 25 June 2016 - 11:10 AM
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19 April 2016 - 08:37 AM
Triple post, but...does anyone know if Soul Box on vig Celes works well or not?
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19 April 2016 - 09:12 AM
thzfunnymzn, on 19 April 2016 - 08:37 AM, said:
Triple post, but...does anyone know if Soul Box on vig Celes works well or not?
On a hybrid spec it works very well. Illumina does pretty good physical damage, and the proc does an insane amount; Holy does great damage, her Cures are high enough to keep everyone at 60-75% from 1. As for a solid Vigor build: The Proc won't do anywhere near as much damage as a Magic build, but the physicals can pop 3-4k at lvl 27 with 7 Ramuh. I know this from my 15 EL limitation game. I was using Celes as a bruiser tank since she can have some beefy ass gear and huge HP gains from Alexandr.
(Alternately, you can use Kusarigama/Wing Edge for huge physical on a magic build without building much Vigor elsewhere...Soul Box + Minerva+Oath Veil doesn't sacrifice any magic, and even without Vigor from EL, Celes gains 15 vigor from just those 3; she nukes hard on Holy and can physical to avoid counters or drop flying mons with the WE)
Hope this helped.
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19 April 2016 - 10:32 AM
I did 7 Ramuh, 3 Alexandr, 5 Siren...It's fairly balanced: Her health is beefy, my gear come endgame was Illumina, Force Shield, Oath Veil, Minerva, White Cape (swap to Gale Hairpin), Hero Ring (swap to Black Heart when i swap Cape for Hairpin), and she did a LOT of damage with Illumina proc as well as Holy... Her healing was a main point also. Under almost every circumstance, she was exceptionally useful.
Her low Stamina was usually a problem, but she had great MBlock and defenses post-WoR, and her damage was excellent through WoR due to the early-access to her main build (Ramuh/Siren). I'm fairly sure a 20 EL or 25 EL run would make her not only much more tanky or damaging, but moving to 7 Ramuh/5 Alexandr/8 Siren/5 Phantom or 5 Crusader (depending on whether you want more beefiness or a faster CeleS) using the same gear will make her a true MVP.
Her low Stamina was usually a problem, but she had great MBlock and defenses post-WoR, and her damage was excellent through WoR due to the early-access to her main build (Ramuh/Siren). I'm fairly sure a 20 EL or 25 EL run would make her not only much more tanky or damaging, but moving to 7 Ramuh/5 Alexandr/8 Siren/5 Phantom or 5 Crusader (depending on whether you want more beefiness or a faster CeleS) using the same gear will make her a true MVP.
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19 April 2016 - 01:35 PM
Thanks. Updated builds last time with extra line for Ramuh Celes.
[See "Build Reference Sheet" topic]
Anything I missed? Anything that it feels like I missed something? Anything where I'm misrepresenting a build? Any important highlights of a build that I missed (highlights only, b/c of brevity)?
[See "Build Reference Sheet" topic]
Anything I missed? Anything that it feels like I missed something? Anything where I'm misrepresenting a build? Any important highlights of a build that I missed (highlights only, b/c of brevity)?
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 25 June 2016 - 11:10 AM
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20 April 2016 - 01:55 AM
Your guide makes me realize the importance of having nicknames for certain character builds; otherwise, half of them end up being called "Red Mage" or "Paladin".
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20 April 2016 - 05:24 AM
I'm not creative, I didn't want to push my own names (seemed pretentious), and I preferred class names to quickly get across the point of each build & to speed production of this guide. I could add an extra line to each build as the build's name, and relabel my name as "class." Might ask my sister to name all the builds, even though she hasn't played the game since 1.2. Might consider adding a tally at the end of all the different classes and who has which classes, but that might violate the rule of keeping this guide brief.
Have you found this guide helpful and accurate?
Have you found this guide helpful and accurate?
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22 April 2016 - 05:01 PM
So...my sister's names for these builds include such things as:
Sage Terra: "Oreo Sage"
stam Terra: "Regen Potato"
Paladin Locke: "The Flaming Heal"
pure Phoenix Locke: "Pirate's Dream"
...I think I'll just name the builds.
EDIT: You know what? The names aren't that bad. Just a little over much use of Paladin, Red Mage, Regen Tank, and Regen Mage. I can consolidate Terra's vig builds into one "Magic Knight" build and think later on what else to use.
Sage Terra: "Oreo Sage"
stam Terra: "Regen Potato"
Paladin Locke: "The Flaming Heal"
pure Phoenix Locke: "Pirate's Dream"
...I think I'll just name the builds.
EDIT: You know what? The names aren't that bad. Just a little over much use of Paladin, Red Mage, Regen Tank, and Regen Mage. I can consolidate Terra's vig builds into one "Magic Knight" build and think later on what else to use.
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 22 April 2016 - 05:33 PM
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22 April 2016 - 06:18 PM
Perhaps all Regen Tanks should be called Regen Potatoes? stam Sabin is a regen potato now.
Updated again: [See "Build Reference Sheet" topic]
Consolidated Terra's, Locke's, and Edgar's builds, reduced the excessive use of "Red Mage" and (unqualified) "Paladin." Gau & Setzer still have naming issues, and I'm only half-certain on Mog's builds & Relm's Ifrit + Starlet. I probably won't come up with fancy names for the builds, unless regen potato just proves that popular; most characters now have unique enough classes, with only a few redundancies.
Perhaps I consolidated too much? Also unsure if I pushed my own playstyle too much with vig Locke (recommended 5 Phoenix minimum).
Updated again: [See "Build Reference Sheet" topic]
Consolidated Terra's, Locke's, and Edgar's builds, reduced the excessive use of "Red Mage" and (unqualified) "Paladin." Gau & Setzer still have naming issues, and I'm only half-certain on Mog's builds & Relm's Ifrit + Starlet. I probably won't come up with fancy names for the builds, unless regen potato just proves that popular; most characters now have unique enough classes, with only a few redundancies.
Perhaps I consolidated too much? Also unsure if I pushed my own playstyle too much with vig Locke (recommended 5 Phoenix minimum).
This post has been edited by thzfunnymzn: 25 June 2016 - 11:10 AM
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22 April 2016 - 10:34 PM
The hack is pretty awesome so far. I haven't played through since the original release, and I'm really liking all the changes.
I do have a question though... is Golem disabled in certain areas? Since updating to 1.7.2 (yes, I used a clean rom) Edgar has been unable to use Golem. I don't use him everywhere, so I'm not sure... but in the IMF and on the Floating Continent (most notably against Atma) he's not been capable of putting up the shield. When you press up at the top of the magic menu, it doesn't even go to the Esper line. It just sits there as if he doesn't have an Esper equipped.
I do have a question though... is Golem disabled in certain areas? Since updating to 1.7.2 (yes, I used a clean rom) Edgar has been unable to use Golem. I don't use him everywhere, so I'm not sure... but in the IMF and on the Floating Continent (most notably against Atma) he's not been capable of putting up the shield. When you press up at the top of the magic menu, it doesn't even go to the Esper line. It just sits there as if he doesn't have an Esper equipped.
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23 April 2016 - 01:53 AM
The only reasons that an esper would be disabled in that fashion are a) you don't have one equipped; or b) you don't have the MP to use it. At that point, Edgar probably doesn't have a lot of MP, and Golem is comparatively expensive. That'd be my guess.
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23 April 2016 - 08:01 AM
Synchysi, on 23 April 2016 - 01:53 AM, said:
The only reasons that an esper would be disabled in that fashion are a) you don't have one equipped; or b) you don't have the MP to use it. At that point, Edgar probably doesn't have a lot of MP, and Golem is comparatively expensive. That'd be my guess.
Hmn, alright. So then either at 1am I couldn't read or my rom isn't as clean as I thought. I do some more looking around and probably redo my patching.
Thanks!
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24 April 2016 - 06:46 AM
I can confirm that the Sketch Glitch is alive and well in BNW 1.7.2. I updated my -ad beta .srm file to a 1.7.2 rom and tested it on SNES9x-rr (1.5.1v7) and it worked the same way as when I was testing it on the beta.
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24 April 2016 - 07:45 AM
Edit: Nevermind. It probably is in 1.7.2; apparently I didn't even apply the fix to this release version for some reason.
I can put out 1.7.3 later today with that fix in.
I can put out 1.7.3 later today with that fix in.
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24 April 2016 - 08:21 AM
Well that's good then. Now I don' t need a special patch. 
For the record, it was in 1.7.1 also.
For the record, it was in 1.7.1 also.
