Since none of the armors/weapons i've come across give primary stat increases (str/mag etc) does that mean that the only improvement leveling up gives you is more hp/mp + magic stones (oh and +1 to all stats every 32 levels) since there is no gear you can stat max with?
Simply, aside from making the game more challenging for myself by playing through at low levels (currently halfway through disc3 with a party average level of 19) is there any other purpose to it? In vanilla going low level to endgame let you max out alot stronger than you would normally be had you played as intended, but that doesn't seem to be possible going by what i've found this run and what i remember the last time i ran this patch (version 1. something)
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14 December 2015 - 04:47 AM
It's simply to eliminate the whole min/maxing mechanic. It's a way from Landon to tell you to just play the game and forget about maxing stats. If you get stuck, change your strats. Otherwise, gain a level or two.
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14 December 2015 - 10:27 AM
I can't speak for earlier versions as I never played them, but nothing I've encountered boosts anything other than evasion, defence, magic defence and magic evasion, not to mention attack power. Though I'm fine with that as I never was one for maxing my stats in the first place. Makes it more challenging to .gif)
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14 December 2015 - 01:23 PM
Hart-Hunt, on 14 December 2015 - 04:47 AM, said:
It's simply to eliminate the whole min/maxing mechanic. It's a way from Landon to tell you to just play the game and forget about maxing stats. If you get stuck, change your strats. Otherwise, gain a level or two.
Thanks for answering!
Pretty sure im going to have to levelup anyway, ark was pretty rediculous to fight /w my hp, i dont even want to think about the shrine boss duo fights with my current stats @_@
Garet980, on 14 December 2015 - 10:27 AM, said:
I can't speak for earlier versions as I never played them, but nothing I've encountered boosts anything other than evasion, defence, magic defence and magic evasion, not to mention attack power. Though I'm fine with that as I never was one for maxing my stats in the first place. Makes it more challenging to
Tbh now i think about it, removing min-maxing is a pretty cool design choice, makes it far more strat focused, i honestly cant think of a time in the vanilla game where i ever needed to actually use supporting white/black magic, or even soul blade for that matter..
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14 December 2015 - 01:33 PM
Don't worry about the duo. I was around your lvl when I tried it. I would worry about the Terra fights with emo Zidane.
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15 December 2015 - 05:48 AM
Laith, on 14 December 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:
Don't worry about the duo. I was around your lvl when I tried it. I would worry about the Terra fights with emo Zidane.
Now that you mention it.. i completely forgot about those in pandemonium, must have repressed them or something haha
I just remember garland been a cakewalk >_>
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15 December 2015 - 08:04 AM
Yeah the Pandemonium fights are rough. What makes it even worse is that, to my knowledge, you don't get to equip half the cast after you enter Bran Bal so they're stuck with whatever you gave them before heading out and your last save point before then is back on Gaia. I remember the shrine boss being really easy for the most part, but I know Esto Gaza gave me a bit of trouble.
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15 December 2015 - 08:40 AM
Tray1990, on 15 December 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:
Yeah the Pandemonium fights are rough. What makes it even worse is that, to my knowledge, you don't get to equip half the cast after you enter Bran Bal so they're stuck with whatever you gave them before heading out and your last save point before then is back on Gaia. I remember the shrine boss being really easy for the most part, but I know Esto Gaza gave me a bit of trouble.
No, you can switch your party around in Bran Bal. I think one of the cast isn't there, but the rest can be set up no problem.
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15 December 2015 - 08:57 AM
I think it's Eiko, Quina, Vivi, and Amarant that you get to equip before Zidane's breakdown. That is, if my memory serves me right.
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15 December 2015 - 09:32 AM
Laith, on 15 December 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:
I think it's Eiko, Quina, Vivi, and Amarant that you get to equip before Zidane's breakdown. That is, if my memory serves me right.
I believe you're correct, once you get to the point where you're controlling eiko you cant change steiner, dagger and freya's invent.
Thanks again for the reminders to set them up for the boss fights before that point, i could have screwed myself @_@
Abadon is probably still going to be an utter bitch to deal with RIP limit glove RIP frog drop :C
At least i made enough coral rings to deal with thundaga (assuming he still uses it and doesnt spam high wind/blade)
Not sure how i'll deal with SD's charge other than backrow + protect and pray..
Im assuming it will still OHK dagger with that setup, if not may not be so hard..
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15 December 2015 - 09:37 AM
I actually remember having to re-enter Terra a few times to find a good setup for Steiner, Freya, and Dagger for those fights. So very annoying. The unavoidable exp kinda annoyed me as well, but well, what can you do. xD
He does use Thundaga sometimes, I prayed for that as well in my run. You might have better luck than me in that.
He does use Thundaga sometimes, I prayed for that as well in my run. You might have better luck than me in that.
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15 December 2015 - 09:53 AM
Laith, on 15 December 2015 - 09:37 AM, said:
The unavoidable exp kinda annoyed me as well, but well, what can you do. xD
You can use a gameshark code to inflict the "virus" status on one character for those fights (and tantarian)
It has to be a GS code afaik because virus status doesn't persist through death.
I remember a friend giving me one that specifically gave zidane the virus status so i had to win the fights with just him alive to "keep it challenging you know" i'd post it here but im on a new epsxe installation not to mention new pc so i no longer have the code saved sadly ;c
Kinda cheating, but its cheating that makes the game harder instead of easier ;p
Kuja's fight was an absolute joke compared to necron aswell 50damage flare star lel..
Cant remember if i actually beat necron though, dont believe i did :c (2slow & not enuff magic stones/skills learnt to block grand cross properly & blue shockwave is gg)
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15 December 2015 - 10:01 AM
I managed to finish a lvl 1 run in vanilla, in which it is possible to use a lvl 1 party in all fights, but cannot avoid getting exp on certain characters. Granted, they are discarded once they go beyond lvl 1 for the sake of the run.
I did not attempt it here because of how enemies have increased stats and all, but I'd be interested in seeing if someone can pull it off.
I still tried to get as low exp as possible, though. Would've loved to get virus at some point but Meltigemini pretty much wiped my party with Virus Breath.
I did not attempt it here because of how enemies have increased stats and all, but I'd be interested in seeing if someone can pull it off.
I still tried to get as low exp as possible, though. Would've loved to get virus at some point but Meltigemini pretty much wiped my party with Virus Breath.
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15 December 2015 - 10:17 AM
Laith, on 15 December 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:
I managed to finish a lvl 1 run in vanilla, in which it is possible to use a lvl 1 party in all fights, but cannot avoid getting exp on certain characters. Granted, they are discarded once they go beyond lvl 1 for the sake of the run.
I did not attempt it here because of how enemies have increased stats and all, but I'd be interested in seeing if someone can pull it off.
I did not attempt it here because of how enemies have increased stats and all, but I'd be interested in seeing if someone can pull it off.
I frankly dont think it would be possible here due to the stat changes made to the characters, vivi, dagger and eiko would be liabilities the entire game due to super low hp + not enuff mana for gud spells.
You'd be basically forced into a zidane/freya/amarant/quina party because throw is OP quinas blue magic is OP, steiner is likely going to be useless without mana and freya is a godsend who can cast protect/shell without worrying about mana costs.
Oh and they all have enough base HP to maybe not instantly die when an enemy looks at them.
You'd also get completely f***ed when you're doing the alexandria part with beatrix in disc3 as she is completely useless in this mod.
I dont believe it would be possible to clear that part with lvl1 steiner unless the enemies miss every single attack.
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15 December 2015 - 10:22 AM
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought. And well, without access to those OP spells like Limit Glove, things would probably get too dangerous real quick.
It's still cool to be as low-leveled as possible, though. More strategy-focused and choosing carefully your skills due to having just a few magic stones available make this challenging enough to call it a motherfucker.
About Shell Dragon... I pretty much prayed for single attacks, Earthquake even 'cause of Float. But I needed to get lucky three times with either of those to deplete his HP.
... So I ended up using Dark Matter to get him down.
It's still cool to be as low-leveled as possible, though. More strategy-focused and choosing carefully your skills due to having just a few magic stones available make this challenging enough to call it a motherfucker.
About Shell Dragon... I pretty much prayed for single attacks, Earthquake even 'cause of Float. But I needed to get lucky three times with either of those to deplete his HP.
... So I ended up using Dark Matter to get him down.
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15 December 2015 - 10:25 AM
Laith, on 15 December 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:
Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought. And well, without access to those OP spells like Limit Glove, things would probably get too dangerous real quick.
It's still cool to be as low-leveled as possible, though. More strategy-focused and choosing carefully your skills due to having just a few magic stones available make this challenging enough to call it a motherfucker.
It's still cool to be as low-leveled as possible, though. More strategy-focused and choosing carefully your skills due to having just a few magic stones available make this challenging enough to call it a motherfucker.
God.. didnt even occur to me you'd also be missing Dragon Crest/Thievery/Limit Glove/Frog Drop
I kinda take back the quina's blue magic is OP comment now lmao..
Laith, on 15 December 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:
About Shell Dragon... I pretty much prayed for single attacks, Earthquake even 'cause of Float. But I needed to get lucky three times with either of those to deplete his HP.
... So I ended up using Dark Matter to get him down.
... So I ended up using Dark Matter to get him down.
I kinda want to keep my dark matter, mainly because i hate myself and want to try and kill ozma eventually lmao.
My initial plan when i picked up this patch was to chuck dead peppers at anything and everything that moved but landon is evil and ruined their scaling
For ozma unless the element of doomsday has changed to not be shadow my plan is give everyone possible return magic (if i have the magic stones free) and use characters who can absorb shadow, hopefully doomsday works with return magic (dont remember) and hopefully having 2 charactesr with return magic gets a return magic spam cycle going
/edit: Did i just mix up dark matter and pumice's properties?? i think i did
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15 December 2015 - 10:31 AM
Yeah, maybe not OP, but still quite good. S/he was really useful against Quale.
... well, s/he's supposed to be there anyway.
... well, s/he's supposed to be there anyway.
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15 December 2015 - 10:31 AM
Abadon was the one that gave me the most trouble, I think I beat Shell Dragon on my second attempt with just attacking/healing/reviving. If I remember right, Garnet with Robe of Lords in the back row took low enough damage to to survive and healed back 900 with auto-potion/chemist so she was able to toss out some group Curagas to keep me going strong for the most part.
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15 December 2015 - 10:36 AM
Laith, on 15 December 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:
Yeah, maybe not OP, but still quite good. S/he was really useful against Quale.
... well, s/he's supposed to be there anyway.
... well, s/he's supposed to be there anyway.
I slacked off really hard on catching frogs with quina, no frog drop no motivation lol.
Full Fork is really good though, i probably should go beat quale before i get locked into pandemonium if its not too late already lol..
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15 December 2015 - 10:38 AM
Just remember he's a boss that gives exp, in case you want to avoid some of that.
I was never really interested in Frog Drop so I left Quale to Disc 4 sidequesting.
I was never really interested in Frog Drop so I left Quale to Disc 4 sidequesting.
