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#41 auraplatonic

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19 January 2014 - 03:25 PM

Archael, on 19 January 2014 - 03:12 PM, said:

It matters because people like Kaycetron do actual women in gaming a disservice by re-inforcing the "dumb attention whore with cleaveage that isn't actually into games, just money" stereotype.

She's hurting our ability to attract actual talent, like Sheever.

As an entertainer / streamer, Kaycetron doesn't have to be what we want her to be. I understand that. But then Kaycetron doesn't get to complain when she gets criticism, and you don't get to tell other people that their complaints are not valid.

I am not saying anyone's complaints aren't valid. I have throughout this been understanding and knowing people don't agree.

That stereoscope is valid and exists across all mediums but yet there are strong women in all mediums. Simply put, people are generally going to take the path of least resistance so you are going to see more Kaceytrons then Sheevers. If women are discouraged to pursue what they love because of Kaceytron this is on them because they are missing out on their own potential. If the Sheevers of the world want to fight against that stereotype, what better way than to put themselves out there? If they are good, they will get their opportunity.

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#42 Archael

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19 January 2014 - 03:25 PM

quadpolar, on 19 January 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

I pointed out a fundamental error in your posts, namely that you can't make up definitions like that. That's more than I'm willing to contribute, with regard to Advent's spot-on responses to your ramblings which fill most of this thread.

Keep the thread civil.

#43 auraplatonic

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19 January 2014 - 03:31 PM

Advent, on 19 January 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

You can think that way and ignore the increasing trend that speaks to her ideology, then. You think I'm talking out of pure emotion and pulling this shit out of my ass. I'm not. The evidence is there.

Speaking from being in an already ostracized minority, I'd rather the other minority and subculture I'm a part of (gamers) not turn out the same way. Like I said, if you want to ignore it, that is fine. The evidence is there.

You cannot approach something like ideology with a binary mindset. There are no absolutes here. The result of the infection won't make itself shown for many years to come more than likely, but it ends in that ideology disappearing. That's how all ideological infections end.

Humanizing it does not give perspective. Perspective is not needed here. Anyone who does this will get the exact same treatment from me.

It is ignoring who you are and spitting on the identity of others. You can choose to not see it that way, but I see it on a deeper level; I see it for what it is.

Ok, what do you think is going to happen? The image that I get from you honestly feels overblown and apocalyptic. What evidence do you have? I am more than willing to change my view on this and I am very receptive to studies and the like.

I can't hold gaming to the same standard that I do something like human rights. There have been infections there that have had dire negative consequences. What are the possible dire consequences here? We can still be the gamers that we are now whether people who hold that ideology exist or not, right?

I don't think the situation is going to change much so I would think the best way would be to find a way to adapt. Us arguing the point is not going to prevent anything. Gamers have adapted and continue to adapt. Why do you think this site exists? Because we do something here gaming companies won't do anymore. The Sheevers of the world will always have their voice heard where it needs to be no matter what happens.

#44 Advent

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19 January 2014 - 03:34 PM

auraplatonic, on 19 January 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

You're serious, aren't you? You're going to make me look up evidence for one of the most basic fucking pack instincts on the face of the Earth? Fine. Gimme a bit.

auraplatonic, on 19 January 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

I can't hold gaming to the same standard that I do something like human rights. There have been infections there that have had dire negative consequences. What are the possible dire consequences here? We can still be the gamers that we are now whether people who hold that ideology exist or not, right?

I hold it to the same standards because the exact same psychological mechanisms apply.

#45 FFTA

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19 January 2014 - 03:39 PM

auraplatonic, on 19 January 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

No one is denying her rights.

We don't want to see the gaming community evolve into the porn industry (where this girl belongs). We don't think it is Right, or that it helps/ suits the gaming community in any way. This is certainly, undeniably a good thing for her, but for the sake of the community, we feel she is better suited in the porn industry.

Nothing in advent's posts give me the image of, "overblown and apocalyptic." But honestly, it does effect the integrity/ credibility of the gaming community. The "dire" consequence would be the possible, negative image of the gaming community.

#46 auraplatonic

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19 January 2014 - 03:40 PM

Advent, on 19 January 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

You're serious, aren't you? You're going to make me look up evidence for one of the most basic fucking pack instincts on the face of the Earth? Fine. Gimme a bit.

I hold it to the same standards because the exact same psychological mechanisms apply.

I meant evidence that this will happen to gaming specifically. I understand what you are getting at but I also know as I have been in the community that what we all enjoy isn't going away, even if we have to make it for ourselves(which we already do). Intelligent gaming content will always exist no matter what, there will always be a want for it. This is independent of anyone on their stream doing what ever they want to do.

The same psychological mechanisms apply but the results are vastly different. This is why i feel the extreme comparisons don't do it justice.

#47 Advent

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19 January 2014 - 03:44 PM

auraplatonic, on 19 January 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

I meant evidence that this will happen to gaming specifically.

Exactly what variable does gaming have that all other subcultures do not? The answer is none. They have the same variables, therefore the same thing applies.

auraplatonic, on 19 January 2014 - 03:40 PM, said:

The same psychological mechanisms apply but the results are vastly different. This is why i feel the extreme comparisons don't do it justice.

The psychological results are the exact same every time. What difference does it make when the ideology disappears?

FFTA, on 19 January 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

We don't want to see the gaming community evolve into the porn industry (where this girl belongs). We don't think it is Right, or that it helps/ suits the gaming community in any way. This is certainly, undeniably a good thing for her, but for the sake of the community, we feel she is better suited in the porn industry.

Nothing in advent's posts give me the image of, "overblown and apocalyptic." But honestly, it does effect the integrity/ credibility of the gaming community.

All of my +1.

#48 auraplatonic

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19 January 2014 - 03:48 PM

FFTA, on 19 January 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

What then are we really to do that has any impact or effect on this outcome? Because we are only gaming and not something that has broad sweeping consequences to a large portion of the population, you can't do what you would normally do which would be push for legislation on the issue. I feel this better explains why I don't like the extreme comparisons.

I don't want gaming to turn into the porn industry either, but we also didn't want them to water down the difficulty and insert major tutorials into most games. Because what we feel as true gaming will always be a niche we can't expect the industry to just give us what we want. There will be people who want easy games that are just fun, want lots of tits in games, want women commentating on them with nice tits, etc. There isn't anything significant we have even been able to do to change these trends in any significant way.

Through all this though we still have communities like ID that give us what we are actually looking for. My argument is that these communities will always exist no matter what, so we will always have what we want, so let her show her tits, I could care less.

#49 Advent

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19 January 2014 - 03:53 PM

auraplatonic, on 19 January 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

What then are we really to do that has any impact or effect on this outcome?

"I don't think we can immediately stop it, so let's do nothing."

auraplatonic, on 19 January 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Because we are only gaming and not something that has broad sweeping consequences to a large portion of the population, you can't do what you would normally do which would be push for legislation on the issue. I feel this better explains why I don't like the extreme comparisons.

The majority of the population can fucking die off for all I care. They could all die in a fire alongside this chick. The majority of humanity are (willfully) ignorant, hedonistic creatures.

#50 FFTA

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19 January 2014 - 03:56 PM

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I don't want gaming to turn into the porn industry either, but we also didn't want them to water down the difficulty and insert major tutorials into most games.

This is a common debate within the gaming community, yes.

This is also contributing to the community.

She is not. And neither are her tits.

#51 Advent

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19 January 2014 - 05:00 PM

#52 Advent

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19 January 2014 - 07:40 PM

Stann version:

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#53 Stann

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19 January 2014 - 07:42 PM

My reaction to Kaceytron:

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#54 Advent

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19 January 2014 - 07:45 PM

That actually looks more like your reaction to TooSmart.

#55 Racna

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07 August 2016 - 09:28 AM

Sorry dont mean to be a Necromancer with my first post (Been a lurker on this site for a long time, and decided to join)

The evidence is plain to see especially with recent events regarding sexism in gaming and this crappy viewpoint of male gamers by feminazis who arent or will never be apart of the community.

I care about what attention seekers do on twitch etc. Because not only does it do a disservice to real female gamers who are actually in it for the hobby but it also assists media, feminazis etc in painting this picture about male gamers seeing women as sex objects. All of this is a poison to the gaming community slowly draining the life away. These post are 2 years old.....look at current events. Do you still need evidence on why women like this are bad for the community?

Twitch is used for gaming content. Gamers socialize, learn new things everything game related. I cant respect woman with a low cut shirt and her boobs hanging out taking up 80% of the screen and barely doing anything game related. Twerking, dancing on the screen, bending over on camera. She gets money thrown at her by sex obsessed men. Yes its the mens fault too.

Its to a point now where if you say something or want something done about women like this then you are oppressing women and a sexist. If you do nothing you are turning the gaming community into soft core porn and fueling more of this sexist war within the gaming community. The more these crappy fake female gamers stay the more harrassment real female gamers get. The more harassment the real women gamers get the more men are called sexist and wanting women out of their safe space and hobby. I want more women in the community, not whores. We cant get these women in community if people like Kaceytron and others like her plague it. I want more real females who are knowledgeable about our hobby and not just running a game in the background while they put boobs on screen and cashing in. There is a place for that stuff....for both viewers and content creator. Called cam sites....where it belongs.

Basically, imagine the gaming community like your neighborhood. Imagine someone on your block is having loud parties on their lawn. They have half naked people dancing on in their lawn, playing loud music. Some nights they hold gambling parties in their home. Fights break out alot and police are there all the time. They bring negative people into your neighborhood. Would you want that in your community? What kind of viewpoints does it bring to people others looking in? What kind of people are comming into your community?

#56 Bishop

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10 August 2016 - 12:04 PM

Racna, on 07 August 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

Sorry dont mean to be a Necromancer with my first post

If that's not what you mean to be, this was probably the wrong place to start!

#57 snugrailgun

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11 August 2016 - 06:56 PM

Racna, on 07 August 2016 - 09:28 AM, said:

People in general need to stop caring so much. Let her be vain and let betas chase her tail. If people think a man's desire for a woman is sexist already then there's really no winning with them anyway. Besides real female gamers get about as much harassment as male gamers--I mean you can't tell me these women deal with the same shit the guy who accidentally jerked off on camera does can you? Darksyde Phil was it? Yeah sure he brought most of it on himself, but would you ever say that about a vain woman? I'm going to assume not since you are likely male after all. What about that Pewdiepie guy rolling in cash? You think people don't harass him? Honestly if you can't handle getting shit talked on the internet you probably shouldn't be using it, or communicating in any meaningful manner. No one's feelings have any rights. That said why do you want more women? I'm genuinely curious.

#58 Racna

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12 August 2016 - 07:17 AM

snugrailgun, on 11 August 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

I agree with you about handling the shit talking on the internet. Unfortunately alot of people dont see it that way. And just because people like you and I can handle it doesnt mean someone has to put up with it. Just because you or I can take harassment doesnt mean its right for people to do it. Men get death threats, harassed, trolled all the time. Anyone doing youtube, twitch, forums or anything online will face the inevitable trolls and morons who say and do what they want behind the safety of a screen, your gender doesnt give you immunity.

But with that being said, media and communities with their own agenda make this out to be a womans issue. As if only women get this treatment. And they make it seem majority of this only happens in the gaming community. Attention seeking females who really dont game as a hobby and getting famous for being over sexualized, begged for "tits", getting donations like a cam girl or harassed are whats used to generalized a female gamer. And thats some bull

To answer your question. I want more women to have more exposure in the gaming community so that it may put this stupid gender war to rest. While there are alot of female gamers, many of them wont make it known or put themselves out there like men. I just want to see a change in the community.