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Oh it's not radical feminists I'm afraid of. After all the changes that take place in the name of feminism are typically enacted by normal feminists.

snugrailgun, on 01 October 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Already blaming any -rep you receive on feminists, eh.

Seems like you're ready to do battle.

snugrailgun, on 01 October 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

Then you don't understand what feminism is.

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snugrailgun, on 01 October 2014 - 10:41 PM, said:

Yes they do. Stereotypes are generalizations, and stereotypes are wrong because when you use one, you're blanketing a large group of people under one umbrella.

All black people like rap is a stereotype just as much as every one I've seen you use.

And regarding feminism, I've yet to see you make a compelling argument against feminism to date. You'd be in a good spot if you could outline one that's even a little valid instead of throwing around accusations.

This post has been edited by Advent: 02 October 2014 - 04:34 AM

@VM -- thanks for the post! That's the sort of stuff I'm talking about. If you're a non-male non-white non-straight and you feel marginalized by the video game medium, then a) stop buying that shit and b) develop a game which contains (not necessarily even spotlights) features you want to see in games. If it does well, the others will happily emulate.

snugrailgun, on 01 October 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

This is me downvoting you for sexism.

I mean, they fought for the right to vote and then burned their bras for the ability to choose between a career and being a housewife. Now they've infiltrated all levels of government including state governors and senators. Whores should gb2 kitchen, am i rite?!

You won't even let me explain myself? I see no that feminism really is above criticism. It's fine. Sexism against men has never really been a huge deal.

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There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not discounting the good things feminists have done. Why are you so intent on making me out to be a villain? Normal feminists listen to radical feminists. That's the problem. It's even part of our college curriculum. They're taught that they are victims of men.

As for stereotypes and generalizations I see them as part of making arguments. There's nothing wrong with being under a large umbrella. I myself am under several large umbrellas. Generalizations still have their place but treating people like garbage because of them is still wrong. Is the generalization that country folk generally like country harmful? Do black people often like rap? Well yes. These generalizations are not evil or out to get anyone. They just are.

snugrailgun, on 02 October 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

Note that people are showing their negative reactions to what you wrote, not to YOU. I advise you not to take it personally.

I don't even know how to respond to the rest of that post. I'll leave it to the more articulate members.

snugrailgun, on 01 October 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Not here. BTW I'm not sure why other people are calling you sexist? (Is it because of another thread?)

Criticizing certain feminist ideas doesn't make you a sexist, just like criticizing Anita Sarkeesian's arguments / videos doesn't make you a misogynist.

I criticize feminist thought policing all the time. Criticize away.

I'm aware that there's plenty of people using the name "feminist" that are extremely harmful in many industries. Including gaming. There's also legit women out there doing some very good / positive things, some call themselves feminists, some don't.

snugrailgun, on 02 October 2014 - 07:57 AM, said:

Explain yourself, then. No one is stopping you. I've gotten my share of downvotes too, it's not the end of the world.

snugrailgun, on 02 October 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

Source.

snugrailgun, on 02 October 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

That's a lazy way of skirting the issue of your own ignorance. Everyone falls under multiple umbrellas, which is why arbitrarily stereotyping people into one is foolish. People are not that simple.

snugrailgun, on 02 October 2014 - 08:03 AM, said:

So is making broad assumptions based on those generalizations.

I would ask you to define what you think feminism is, because you're differentiating between a "normal" feminist and a "radical" feminist, and then going on to say that even "normal" feminists are bad. But I'll cut to the chase.

The basis of feminism is that genders should be equal.

As for why it's called 'feminism' and not, say, 'humanity', is generally because men didn't give a crap and/or enjoyed their higher stature so they have no interest in equality -- they were already in the position they wanted to be. It was the females that needed to rally for improvement.

For further information, check out Emma Watson's speech.



Or, if you're like me and loathe videos, the transcript. Notable excerpt:

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Would you say you support male superiority and gender inequality?

You've never heard of gender studies? Anyway If anyone still cares pm me. I'm not good at articulating what I want to say, but I don't think it would matter if I if Iwere. For the record I meant hat I don't need radical feminists around to end up a misogynist. Perfectly normal people make that assumption without their help.

Emma Watson's speech was PR damage control for feminism (which isn't surprising, as it has become sort of a dirty word lately.)

Everyone would do well to not automatically absorb anything she says just because the tone of what she's saying is Politically Correct, "progressive", or "far from those right-wing FOX news guys I hate so much".

Breakdown:

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Notice that she's basically telling you to stop thinking about feminism as a man hating group instead of acknowledging the problem that some feminists are indeed man-haters (thus the need for this speech). She's trying to get people to change how they think / feel about feminism, and that feminism = good regardless of what happens. There is no responsibility or accountability to be had in her ideas.

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I suggest we add "equal responsibility" to that definition. Until then, feminism is always going to need serious PR damage-control, and they'll need more and more actors giving speeches at the UN.

Here's some women in gaming with equal responsibility in their professions to men. Do you think Anita Sarkeesian / Zoe Quinn would fit in here next to these women?




We NEED feminism. But unfortunately, not all feminisms are created equal.

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When you surround yourself with emotionally stagnant manchildren, that may seem like the norm, and perfect.

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And I'm aaaaaall for that.

Archael, on 02 October 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

I think you might be reading a little too much into that. The moment she starts apologizing for feminism is the moment her reputation in every way goes right into the shitter.

Yes, she is trying to change the way people think and feel about feminism, and this includes feminists themselves. She's speaking to everyone, not just a secluded group. She's not saying that feminism is perfect the way it is, she's saying that it's flawed because it's synonymized with misandry. It's like when you see a church come out against Westboro, or when you see Islamists come out against radical Islam.

I think she could get away with condemning only those who are man-haters, but at that point she's pretty much walking the line.

Archael, on 02 October 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Agreed.

Archael, on 02 October 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Amen.

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PERMIT ME TO DISAGREE.

Though it does sound important, I've just been busy with other things. x.x

In order to not be black balled: Ogre Battle's MC can now choose between being male and female, Canopus and Gilbert are lovers, and Aisha is black.

hfgl

OB's MC could always choose between male and female! We progressive up in this bitch!

philsov, on 03 October 2014 - 05:29 AM, said:

I have no idea who any of those are, but it's still hilarious.

You mean Canopus and Gilbert AREN'T lovers?