Insane Difficulty: Beta Testing - Feedback - Insane Difficulty

This thread is made for the beta testers!!! Throw all of your feedback here, it will help keep things clean!!

Hey, I was just starting to go through the ACDC 1 and encountered an odd battle to say the least. I thought this might be a mistake so I took a screencap.



Got to the shop in ACDC 2 and encountered this:


Unfortunately, the shop in ACDC Square is doing the same thing.

I don't understand the problem with the HPMems. First one cost 1k, second cost 2k.

Thank you for the report! The battle field is definitely a mistake I made, I'll be re checking all of the battle fields as there might be another mistake.

The low prices on the shops are not a bug in this case - it's a different approach than in the original, where I try to make the change less grindy. But don't hesitate to ask/report of you feel the process aren't right! I appreciate it!!

quick question, did you lower the damage some advanced combos have? I am asking because since swordys appear within the first area, and they have a chance to drop longsword l you can get the lifesword advanced combo, this combo in the original deals 400 damage which is enough to one shot the vanilla flashman(but you were not able to get it by then in the vanilla).

Yep, Program Advances had their damage redesigned as well. I'm aware that you can get LifeSword on day one, so I nerfed it to 300 damage. Clever thought, to add that program advance that early though, props.

Hart-Hunt, on 13 December 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

Yea in the original, the easiest two first program advances i go for are lifesword and hi cannon. First thing i noticed when swordy was there was that lifesword was possible almost immediately

Hart-Hunt, on 13 December 2014 - 07:44 AM, said:

Ah, see I thought that you were setting each HPMemory to 6k, which is what you had written down in the shop update thread.

JCOnyx, on 13 December 2014 - 05:47 PM, said:

I am against an idea like that, after running through the first boss area so far, having a set price for hp memories(especially one that high for an early game) being limited to the hp memories you are able to find would be rather brutal, I did flashman with 140 hp max(one shop boost+ hp memory up in pc) and he still killed me once.

Windviper245, on 13 December 2014 - 07:59 PM, said:

Don't worry, I have no intentions in raising the prices. It's in my scope for the player to decide whether to upgrade their chips, subchips, and/or their upgrades (if you want to farm Zenny, you can upgrade the three, but it's not designed after that course of action). The prices for the HP Memories in the shop thread are most likely the vanilla values, which I must have changed after the creation of the thread. I apologyze for that. I'll be updating that thread as soon as I can.

How did you find the rest of Day 1 so far? (And Day 2 if you've completed it already)

Edit to add: However, I will raise the shop prices accordingly if I find that they are too low (meaning, that you can upgrade everything and still have spare Zenny with no grinding whatsoever).

This post has been edited by Hart-Hunt: 14 December 2014 - 09:59 AM

According to your enemies per day thread I'm not supposed to find Yorts or Eleballs till day 2 (which I found confusing since Eleballs should be at the Principle's laptop). I found both in the Sch Srv Comp, I'll enter Flashman's area right after some chip grinding.

I'm taking a grinding approach this playthrough as I want to see and get a feel for all the chip changes and enemy changes.

EDIT: Ugh, Yo-Yo E seems significantly harder to get for some reason. I have 6 Gs, 4 Fs, and 1 E. This might take a while for me to get the 2nd one which is all I wanted lol.

Day 1 has been good so far, the only group that screwed with me really was the swordy+ ratty combo, if you don't get the chips you need fast enough, you risk having area grab putting you in a situation where you can not dodge any attacks whatsoever.

I have beaten flashman but i believe his stun thing is used too often when hes low life, if it hits you he attacks with an undodgeable, and it feels like he does this every other attack which is bad if you don't have anything to destroy them with before they go off

Windviper245, on 14 December 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you should be able to kill the pillars with 3 basic shots now. I've been able to destroy them before they go off without any chips, just requires some quick maneuvers to move right next to them.

JCOnyx, on 14 December 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

I was worried if i missed something like that, urg sorry about that

Yeah, the pillars have... something between 3 and 4 HP each, I don't remember how much exactly.

So! I wanted to ask about something that's very important for the development...

For those who have played the beta I sent, what did you think about the shop prices? Were you able to buy everything, nothing? I really need feeback about that, because any changes on the shops require a New Game, so I don't want to make a New Game change more than once.

I was able to buy the one chip I wanted (bambsword), and every hp memory, prior to reaching flashman. I didn't get all the hp memorys in scilab square, even with the times I had to back out and back in. So it's nice at first, and spikes up a bit, but not enough (I think) to be a concern, yet.

I did have to do a more then normal numbers of back outs to refill hp in the opening preliminarys on day 1, and got some lucky 2000 gmd's, several times, so that Might've accounted for it. Someone making fewer trips then I did, or not getting as lucky would've had to more accurately choose between what was offered. given more cash, I definitely could've improved my folder more (lose the j codes, replace with the b or d code bubblers and heatshots, for instance.)

Access to grassstg certainly offers a potential different build I didn't go for, so you're not locking into single build type runs (and between heatshots and magnums, you ought to be able to build a decent amount of fire support, if you go that route.) I shudder to think what schip selection will be like for bubbleman though...

As for difficulty, I think you went overboard on a few combos early, especially those with fans. I didn't have many problemsafter getting some hpmems under my belt, but those early poirtions were a cast iron pain. Not much you can do about that though, honestly. And you obviously OBVIOUSLY need to nerf the mushrooms speed. That's just brutally unfair. Either you draw a sword/wwidesword, and have a barrirer, on the same turn, on turn 1, or you don't get it to die without insane luck, and taking multiple hits. It's just... brutal. Most of the other enemies seem more then fair. (though buffing gutsmanV2 might be in order on the table. Then again, it's gutsman, he's supposed to be a punching bag.)

So, to give some news.

I'll be releasing the beta version you guys are testing on Friday, to give you guys more time to test it. It will include some nerfs on the AI, so far on: Beetle, Brushman, Mushy, Momogra, and I may be forgetting another one. As I said, I'm interested in seeing what you guys think about the prices so far.

Also!! There's gonna be a new test version coming up soon!! Next week probably, can't tell exactly when. It will include Day 3, 4 and 5 (!), which would be aaall the way up to the battle against BubbleMan (because everyone loves BubbleMan, right? <.<). Unless I change something to the shops (which would be minor, so there's not a 100% need to update them), the new test version will not require a New Game, so you guys get to continue your save from the curent test version!

For those who want to sign up and try the new content before the rest, you're always invited!! Stop by the thread linked!

Hart-Hunt, on 16 December 2014 - 01:11 PM, said:

Sounds like you "Love" bubbleman just as much as i do.

Seriously though i hate that prick, hes the most annoying character in the game, and one of the worst boss battles in the original even if his chip is really good

Version 0.4.0 BETA sent to all Beta Testers. Post your feedback here. Remember to read the little notes I added at the PMs.

good god bubbleman might be too hard, great...

I will have to get more back into this a bit later, i am mixed with trying to catch up on my videos and doing stuff for christmas and work(sadly).