Insane Difficulty: Mini-Contest Idea - Insane Difficulty

Kjata, on 27 July 2014 - 03:19 AM, said:

If you gave up on FF6, then you have definitively difficult tastes, really.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 03:43 AM, said:

I think a lot of the love for FF6 is nostalgia. It's a good game, but I was expecting the fucking second coming of Christ in 16 bit form, and I got a game that was good but nothing all that special, TBH.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 03:43 AM, said:

What does this even mean?

Ludovician, on 27 July 2014 - 04:08 AM, said:

just that is really strange to quit ff6...

At least for me, it's not related to nostalgic and stuff... more than 10 years ago i started it on psx, nice game... finished, but not at 100%;

Some year later i replayed it on snes emulator... that time i understood much more better the game, his position among my best ff games raised(i replayed even the others 1 or 2 times, no special treatment for ff6). About 5 years ago i played the gba version... if we don't count the flaws in the sound and colors and other minor stuff, what it added the remake made it jump in the top one of my favourite ff games.
If it was for nostalgia, then it would have been under the top 5 nowadays.

Btw, if he quitted right after getting Relm, it means that he stopped right one istant before starting the best part of the game(and half of the game too)

This is the part I was asking about btw:

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 03:43 AM, said:

He's concluding that there's something wrong with Kjata's taste in video games. This is based on the fact that it's a) 'strange' to quit FF6 and b) supported by his own genuine taste. Pretty solid argument imo.

Right?
Hold a second: that's a bit different!!

- I'm saying he has picky tastes;
- Your version implicates that i'm saying his tastes sucks.

The correct one is the first.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 08:16 AM, said:

I don't know why, but i was just waiting you, Advent XD

What i'm trying to say is: if you wanna give up on ff6 in the first 1-2 hours of the game, ok... you haven't seen anything, you don't even know what experience you may lose, but giving up just before... ... i think it's a waste.

Thinking better to what wrote quadpolar, looks like i'm saying that his tastes in videogames sucks... not what i meant, actually...
What i meant is: No matter how much i'd try to guess his way to value/judge videogames, i'd never be able to figure it out

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Because you are apparently unable to detect sarcasm.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Clearly you need to play through it again, because this doesn't apply to Kjata. He said he stopped playing after he got Relm. Unless you're talking about that one particular cutscene, which is well over two hours into the game. This is, of course, putting aside what I feel (or lackthereof) from Kefka, because there's a whole other thread dedicated to that.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

Well, if how one judges video games is the gameplay (partially how balanced it is) then they should drop to their hands and knees and weep, because FFVI is absolutely terrible in that respect.

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Apparently...

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Played enough times, now i only play/create hacks on it...
That cutscene happens just few minutes after you get Relm(probably after the first 2 hours of the game), sounds like he stopped right between the two events.
We'd always like that something we like would apply for everyone, but there's nothing in the entire universe that does it...
Simply he belongs to the minor half who doesn't finish ff6

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

FF6 is balanced until the world of balance(ahahah... ), as soon as, in the world of ruin you learn ultima, quick, multi attack and start to do 9999... (it takes a while) then the balance dies. Still something that Kjata shouldn't had experimented at the moment...

Btw i judge ff games from story, characters, gameplay, and quality of sidequests/secrets, if someone uses only gameplay... it's just a partial judge(the gameplay of ff6 is still ok for the 60-75% of the whole game, anyway).

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

Way more than two hours into the game. >.>

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

Minor or major (aside from the fact that I think you're full of shit), what does it matter?

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

FF6 is the most terribly balanced game (or mod) I've seen in my entire life, aside from FFT: Revolution.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 10:13 AM, said:

The only interesting part of the story for me was the thing between Locke and Celes. Everything else was a distraction.

Quality of sidequests/secrets.. Uhh.. are we talking about the same game?

Gameplay I've already gone over.

The point is that the measure of a game's worth is what it does for the player. What does it make them feel? Do you feel accomplished for killing that boss? Does the story move you? Do you find playing the game fun?

That's really all it is, and this differs from person to person. It just didn't click with him, and that shouldn't be a big deal for you or anyone else, certainly not enough to effectively call him out for it.

I have just one question: what the fuck is FFT Revolution?

kyozo22, on 27 July 2014 - 11:58 AM, said:

Wiz's new arena patch.

http://www.mediafire..._Changelog.docx

Ahhh.. *reads*

Urrrrgh.

The current leading TAS on TASvideos for FF6 gets Relm almost three hours into the game. SuperJeenius' Blind Let's Play gets Relm over fourteen hours after the start, plus fails (admittedly, I have no clue how long the fails were, they could be nothing at all). It's definitely not two hours that Kjata spent on this, the hard numbers say otherwise.

While I disagree almost completely with Advent and Kjata's opinions, I definitely agree with the main point of Advent's post. Not everybody is going to see FF6 in the same light as us, and it's not just because they have bad taste or refused to give the game a chance. People will have genuine reasons to dislike it. Games can be virtually perfect for an individual, but there is no way that a game can be perfect for everybody, no matter how well made it is.

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Nothing, just a statement.

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

I'm not here to defend the balance of ff6(which barely exist), but i need of some example of what is balance for you...
I mean, you call ff6 the worst balanced game ever, what about ff8? In the first hours of the game, you just need to junction tornado(transform abyss worm cards) to strength and cure 3 to HP(siren: tents/cottage/other stuff -> 10-20x cure 3), and basically you've just broken the whole story run. It was just a random example of something more broken than ff6...

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Seems to me a very personal opinion, you've just thrown away the whole story in a second.
Are you sure that you simply don't like ff6 at all, and that's it?

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Actually for me the story was ended at the reply of Kjata to my reply, he can choose to do whatever he wants.
But someone else starts a crusade for a simple reply that could just had been replied with a lol and end of the story.

Lockirby2, on 27 July 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

Sure, but people maybe keeps to think that i said that Kjata's tastes sucks... i HAVEN'T said anything like that, i simply said in few words that they are strange tastes compared to the mine, is that worth of giving some minus?
I don't give minus if someone express his opinion, i simply discuss with him...
Said that, Kjata is free to do what he wants, who can judge him?
The last sentence of Lockirby2 is the only truth always valid, no matter what.

PS. i keep to not get who ever said that he played less than 2 hours, i always mentioned that he arrived in that point of the story, which is pretty far away from the beginning... i'm starting to believe that there was an huge misunderstanding in the previous chain of posts

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

Pretty much all of FF games can be broken in half, but if you need an example..

Psycho Cyan.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

Well of course it's a personal opinion, you can never truly objectify a story because it depends on what it makes a given person feel.

I actually really like FF6, specifically Brave New World. I hate Vanilla.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

Because it wasn't just a simple reply. I'm sure this is caused by the language barrier, but that reply had some bits of condescension in it, and was in effect calling him out on his taste in video games. You think I'm the only one who saw it that way? Let me point you towards the sarcasm directed at you previously.

Lockirby2, on 27 July 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

Fair enough, but let me just reiterate:

I love Brave New World. I hate Vanilla. This is similar to how I have a distaste for Vanilla FFT, but I enjoy mods of it like 1.3 and Jot5.

Tenkarider, on 27 July 2014 - 04:46 PM, said:

The misunderstanding is that you said something that I don't think you intended to say. "Kjata's tastes sucks," while probably true in many things, was heavily implied in what you actually said.

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

But that's a bug!(actually a combination of 2 bugs), i cannot classify bugs as part of the balance of the game: it's more like dumbness of programmers who didn't fix it, before the release.
It would be ridicolous, if a player counts Psycho Cyan as a possible strategy to use in battle.

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

No, otherwise minus wouldn't have been there

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

Uhm... there's something strange: You hate vanilla games, or their bugs, at the really end?

Advent, on 27 July 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

My original statement was: "If you gave up on FF6, then you have definitively difficult tastes, really. " it sounds more like they are picky tastes;

The post's interpretation of quadpolar was: "He's concluding that there's something wrong with Kjata's taste in video games." that really sounds like i'm saying his tastes sucks.

My error was to say to agree his post, without point out that difference, at the really beginning i thought it was just a confirm of my post... when i read better his post, the bomb already exploded