[Advent]

Hart-Hunt, on 29 September 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

So basically, it has nothing to do with video games. I was right to stay far away from it, it's none of my interest.

False. It very much has to do with games (as we discussed in chat), just indirectly. If given the chance it can and will snowball out of control.

[philsov]

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Edit: Something else worth mentioning: conversation surrounding this has gotten so hot that it's been banned in most areas of the net it comes to. moot, being the SJW he is, replaced almost all 4chan mods (anyone who disagreed with him was instantly banned from the IRC where they were discussing it), and there was a massive exodus of users from 4chan to 8chan, which is where a lot of the dialogue takes place. So, if you want to get some perspective, that may or may not be a good place to look.

I got this:

http://imgur.com/t/gamergate/aTGtq

Between suicide and the fappening and some 4chan users wanting the doxx the piss out of everything, I can see him wanting to mod some of this stuff. Past that, given how little moderation I've seen going on (not that I frequent /b/ or /v/) the more I am convinced that the whole thing is just a very clever ploy by 8chan to get users, and not that much is actually happening/happened on the 4chan front.

Also... he was apparently getting death threats as well, and in general hates all sides of what's going on and just wants out. Can't blame him.

Either way, appreciate the recap. ty.

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The sexism part of it is a bit of the above combined with the social stereotype that real gamers (the culture) are all misogynistic fucks. Radical feminists, like that creature Anita Skarwhat'sherstupidface, take this opportunity to jump on the culture as a whole and further perpetuate that stereotype.

Seems kinda hypocritical. "I am a unique flower who shouldn't be defined by your narrow worldview, now sit back while I stereotype you all (as something I loathe, tee hee)"

[Advent]

You just can't make such a huge jump from little to no moderation to full on martial fucking law, though. That's ridiculous.

And yeah, I'm familiar with that post. I actually posted the 4chan screenshot on Vanish's FB when we were talking about it around a week ago.

[Abaddon]

I am against gates for gamers. They are obtrusive and needless.

That's what this is about, right?

[Stann]

>none can ignore the current flaming shadow-flare wave of... fire

Just watch me.

[Archael]

Stann, on 30 September 2014 - 05:50 AM, said:

>none can ignore the current flaming shadow-flare wave of... fire

Just watch me.

Well that's not fair

[philsov]

Abaddon, on 29 September 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

I am against gates for gamers. They are obtrusive and needless.

That's what this is about, right?

You gotta beat the midboss before you can kill the main boss, brah

[NYR]

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Seems kinda hypocritical. "I am a unique flower who shouldn't be defined by your narrow worldview, now sit back while I stereotype you all (as something I loathe, tee hee)"

Very well said. This entire thing is one gigantic ball of hypocrisy that is waiting to explode.

[Kaffe Myers]

Abaddon, on 29 September 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

I am against gates for gamers. They are obtrusive and needless.

That's what this is about, right?

Gamers should be able to enjoy everything on a *NIX based platform, I agree.

(Too jargon-y of a joke?)

[Advent]

NYR, on 30 September 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

Very well said. This entire thing is one gigantic ball of hypocrisy that is waiting to explode.

It already has. That's precisely why we're having this discussion.

[snugrailgun]

I guess I'm the only one here who cares about this sort of thing. God damn I'm such a fucking special snowflake.

[Advent]

I care about it, but not enough to label it as "important": Systems like these always end up collapsing in on themselves, it's funny how it happens over and over and over again and every time people are like "wow, where did I go wrong?". Well, you went wrong by being a fuckin' idiot, that's where.

GamerGate really just isn't that surprising. People have known this shit goes on for years now, the only difference is that now it's in the public eye, so all of a sudden a lot of people who just sat back and accepted it are now up in arms, trying to ride the shockwaves to enforce some kind of change when they were too lethargic to get up and fucking do anything about it in the first goddamn place. This applies to every single facet of the controversy. It's fucking pathetic.

[snugrailgun]

We're good at not giving a shit, but it's still better late than never. Besides I wouldn't necessarily say people knew what was going on. These journalists are too good at spinning things in their favor. They're not just playing the victim card. They own it--as professionals.

[Advent]

snugrailgun, on 30 September 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

We're good at not giving a shit, but it's still better late than never. Besides I wouldn't necessarily say people knew what was going on.

That's not an excuse. If something matters to you, you get off your ass and do something about it. Or you at least try. The problem with these types of things is that the leaders, the idealists, the intelligent ones get swarmed and drowned out by those just trying to perpetuate their own agenda and don't actually give a fucking shit about these issues.

And yes, everyone knew well enough what was going on. Anyone who plays video games and knows how to use the internet knows that the vast majority of professional reviews are all bought. IGN, despite the paid review posterboy, is not the only one that is afflicted by this.

snugrailgun, on 30 September 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

These journalists are too good at spinning things in their favor. They're not just playing the victim card. They own it--as professionals.

Well, of course. That's part of their job. A journalist delves into all the facts, and -- assuming they're not corrupt -- organizes them in an objective manner in order to draw out something close to the truth. A great journalist does the same thing only they go way deeper with their fact gathering, and their arrangement is far more masterful.

A great journalist -- regardless of being corrupt or not -- is easily capable of spinning those facts in whatever direction they so choose, so again this isn't anything new.

[snugrailgun]

I think it's a good excuse. Is it not how most people feel? I really think you're overestimating the ability of the public to be informed--especially when they just barely give a shit in the first place. Even a simple google search is too difficult for these kinds of people. Maybe they suspected it, but I doubt they thought it was as bad as it is.

A good journalist can but doesn't. That's the difference.

[Advent]

snugrailgun, on 30 September 2014 - 10:00 PM, said:

I think it's a good excuse. Is it not how most people feel? I really think you're overestimating the ability of the public to be informed--especially when they just barely give a shit in the first place.

You're making the assumption that I'm talking about people going and doing a ton of research. No, I'm talking about people going to IGN, reading "This game was awesome, 9.5/10" and then they pick it up and realize it sucks ass.

It's not an excuse at all. If you don't give a shit, say you don't give a shit. The vast majority of everyone who is at all taking part in GamerGate are doing so for any number of reasons, but not because they actually give a shit. They either care because they're pushing some kind of agenda -- in Anita Sarkeesian's case -- or because it's this big scandal, or because all their friends are in on it, or some other bullshit.

And even assuming that everyone didn't know it was really going on, that makes it just as bad if not worse. You assume these people don't know how to Google. I strongly disagree, but I'll bite. This means that the information these people are getting is almost certainly bullshit. Even the links Arch threw up do little if anything to cut through the confusion.

There is an absolutely massive amount of rhetoric and misinformation about GamerGate to the point that 80% of the time what you find is the aforementioned bullshit. Unless you know how to fucking Google, you have no chance of finding anything close to the truth. So, the people go from ignorant to flat out fucking misinformed, which in my opinion is actually worse than just not knowing shit to begin with.

It makes the entire thing way more convoluted and blown out of proportion than it needs to be, not to mention it waters down -- for lack of a better term -- the integrity of those taking part. You know, the ones who aren't fucking morons and actually give a shit.

[Kjata]

Advent, on 30 September 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

You're making the assumption that I'm talking about people going and doing a ton of research. No, I'm talking about people going to IGN, reading "This game was awesome, 9.5/10" and then they pick it up and realize it sucks ass.

Funnily enough, this is a large part of why I haven't bought a new video game in quite a while. I buy games months (if not longer) after they come out, so I actually have a good idea if they are good or if they are shit.

[Advent]

Pretty much.

[snugrailgun]

Well yeah people have all sorts of reasons for caring but so what? As long as it gets something done. What, we all have to share the exact same motivations? And what use is Google when 80% of the information is in fact rhetoric? I don't think giving a shit necessarily=having a clue either. Sorry this message is formatted oddly. I sent it from my phone. Anyway it seems like you're on the same page as I am despite your post, but I still say not giving a shit is a valid excuse for inaction. Not just for this whole gamergate thing but for life in general. Anyway why all the hate? Are people not just doing what they think is right? Even sjws are at least trying.

[Advent]

snugrailgun, on 30 September 2014 - 11:54 PM, said:

Well yeah people have all sorts of reasons for caring but so what? As long as it gets something done. What, we all have to share the exact same motivations?

Not exactly the same, but if your motivations are superficial and you really don't give a shit about the issue -- in this context -- then what's the point? When you have people who don't care at the helm, that's when you have a problem.

snugrailgun, on 30 September 2014 - 11:54 PM, said:

And what use is Google when 80% of the information is in fact rhetoric?

Google is a tool, and like all tools its effectiveness is tied into its user.

snugrailgun, on 30 September 2014 - 11:54 PM, said:

I don't think giving a shit necessarily=having a clue either.

The two are related, but you're right that correlation is not causation. If you give a shit, that makes you personally motivated to at least try and seek out the truth.

snugrailgun, on 30 September 2014 - 11:54 PM, said:

Anyway why all the hate? Are people not just doing what they think is right?

Who gives a shit what people think in the first place? How can people think when they don't even try and just play follow the leader all the time?

What people think is right is more often than not wrong because they choose to be stupid and uninformed instead of trying to see the bigger picture. These people have no place in my heart. I legitimately wish they would all burn off the face of the earth.

Anyway, that particular subject, as you can probably tell, strikes a very personal tone for me, so I'd rather not shit up the thread with any more of it.