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#41 Foyboy

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03 September 2012 - 08:05 AM

Advent, on 03 September 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

It's been a while since I played, so this might come off as a noob question, but wouldn't the removal of some bosses scaling remove difficulty? My normal instinct says yes, but something tells me there is a mechanic that I'm not aware of that raises their difficulty. Is this the case, or did you just buff them with certain spells? (I saw you gave Seifer Flare, so I'm not sure.)

Bosses not scaling removes difficulty only for someone who grinds levels excessively, which no one really does. Also, in the original game, nearly all bosses scaled only up to a certain level cap, which were probably lower than the fixed levels in the mod. For most people, bosses scaling makes the game trivially easy since you can stay at low levels while obtaining powerful junctions, so that the bosses stay incredibly weak while you grow stronger.
Fixed levels are the best way to go to achieve a proper balance. The only other option would be scaling with fixed minimum levels, but that encourages people to avoid leveling which I think is a bad gameplay mechanic (and I don't even know if it's possible to program).

Bosses have been significantly buffed in their stats and have access to stronger move sets.

#42 XtraT

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03 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

Just beat the Brothers and was surprisingly surprised. Their speed and dmg is pretty high, despite me having almost the best junctions and stuff like Auto-Haste. Still wasn't very hard and beat them in 1 try, even with me just waiting around to see their damage. Their Mad Cow special can be absorbed with Quake+Shell, intended?

Their HP isn't really high either, so Duel made quick work of them (protect and high HP/vit made it decently easy to throw some limit breaks around).

Also, I'm in love again with Selphie's Full-Cure

Zell Squall Selphie is by far my big 3 atm

#43 Foyboy

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04 September 2012 - 03:57 AM

When you say that you absorbed it with Quake+Shell, do you mean having 100 of both on your elem-def junction? Because if so, that's normal, and you could get a higher absorption % with Quake+Float I think. If you mean Quake junctioned to elem-def and under shell status, then something is wrong there.

#44 XtraT

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04 September 2012 - 11:57 AM

Yeah I meant junctioned to Elem-def. I know it's intended per the description of the game but I'm not sure if he wants magic to be absorb-able so that's why I asked

#45 Foyboy

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04 September 2012 - 12:32 PM

Ah, yea, I understand now. I suggested halving the effects of elem-def in a previous post. I wonder if it's possible (or a good idea) to have spells gives + and - to different elem-def. For example, Quake giving +50% earth and -25% wind.

#46 XtraT

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04 September 2012 - 01:36 PM

Well I cleared disc 1 now.

Iguions were easy. Maybe boost their HP if you give em low dmg? I killed them both with 1 Shot using AP ammo.

Seifer was cool, he actually hits harder than Squall (no Str+%). Although he wouldn't cast Flare like the patch notes says, he'd only cast Meltdown with his normal attack.

Edea, had to reset 3 times because I wanted to kill her

2 first attempts I was unlucky/was checking her abilities and such. 3rd attempt I finally used Limit Breaks. 3 Renzo+1 lionheart :trollface:

killed her. I had a Shot ready too, would probably have killed her anyway. Her casting Meteor is cool.

#47 LandonRay

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04 September 2012 - 01:48 PM

Patch updated.

Try Edea and Seifer again, I need to see if they work properly now.

#48 Foyboy

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04 September 2012 - 01:52 PM

LandonRay (or XtraT), do you have a save available right before the fight that you could upload? Only one I could find was on GameFAQs and the person clearly had no idea how to play properly (shit junctions, hadn't even learned card mod or half the stat-J abilities).

#49 XtraT

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04 September 2012 - 02:32 PM

My last backup memory card save is at Galbadia's garden

What was wrong with Edea's AI? But yeah, sorry can't test.

#50 Foyboy

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04 September 2012 - 03:08 PM

I used a save editor to edit the file I found on GameFAQs. I just gave the party everything pretty much (except weapons, everyone has the starters for the most part). So try to use your judgment on what's acceptable magic to have at that point.
It's right before Quistis's team pulls the lever. I haven't tested it yet, hopefully there are no glitches. No promises.
http://www.mediafire...oqdc1tuv5m9utmn

Notes on the Seifer/Edea sequence (buggy):

Spoiler

~~Will update more as I continue testing.~~

This post has been edited by Foyboy: 04 September 2012 - 04:21 PM

#51 LandonRay

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04 September 2012 - 04:01 PM

I tested the fights and they are now working properly.

A note on Edea. If she kills the entire party, then you get a game over. If she kills Squall and gets a turn before he is revived, then the fight ends.

#52 Foyboy

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04 September 2012 - 04:23 PM

Guess I should have refreshed the page before editing.

Is that how Edea's AI behaved in vanilla? It seems quite odd.

Anyways, went ahead and did the fight knowing that I needed to keep Squall alive. Kept with the standard junctions of my old save (Quake, Regen, one set of Tornado, Curaga, Death, and Aero on elem-def), no auto-haste. Fight was basically a matter of setting up everyone with shell, then double, then just grinding it out with Squall and Irvine attacking (Irvine doing pitiful damage with water junctioned to Str) while Rinoa double-casted Curaga on anyone who needed it, with priority on Squall. Fight got a little dicey when Edea casted an Ultima right as shell wore out on Squall on Rinoa, but they barely survived and I was able to recover.
Much more difficult fight than the previous version. :thumbup:

This post has been edited by Foyboy: 04 September 2012 - 04:51 PM

#53 Anima Zero

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05 September 2012 - 09:35 AM

Started playing this yesterday.

So far, just got the Magical Lamp so I can summon Diablos and get my tail kicked whenever I feel like it.

Spoiler

So far, enjoying this hack and I can't wait to see how I'm gonna die on future bosses.

#54 LandonRay

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05 September 2012 - 08:09 PM

Patch updated.

#55 Archael

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05 September 2012 - 09:05 PM

LandonRay, on 05 September 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Patch updated.

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#56 XtraT

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05 September 2012 - 09:32 PM

Yay multi hits nerfed :thumbup:

And with stats bonuses I can finally level again!

One thing I'm not sure I'm understanding. If Aura is Wall now, you mean the spell too? So instead of being able to draw Aura I will draw Wall instead? Is Selphie/Quitis still going to have Aura (a great way to make them useful imo)?

Also, is there anyway to have bosses at a minimum level (like let's say 25 for Edea) but still make them scalable at the same time (so idea would always be at least at level 25, but would scale to 100)? Imo it's the best of both worlds.

I hope the new patch is compatible with my old saves

#57 LandonRay

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05 September 2012 - 10:06 PM

I switched the spells, so yes if an enemy had Aura it now has Wall. And Selphie's Limit Break Wall is now an all-target Aura spell (CL3 and CL4 Mighty Guards also inflict Aura). A side note, the only way to inflict Vit0 is a CL4 Bad Breath and a CL3 or CL4 Acid. Unfortunately enemies can't have a minimum level and still scale. As far as saves go, the problem is that I switched around some GF abilities. As such, without starting a new game some of your GFs might have the wrong abilities available. So long as you haven't unlocked any of the Stat Bonus abilities (str bonus, mag bonus, etc.) or acquired Doomtrain, you should be fine.

#58 Anima Zero

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06 September 2012 - 07:06 AM

Took down Diablos this morning after updating to the latest patch (Ok, so I beat him yesterday, but I was a derp and was doing that on a version where Str Bonus was still available and Ifrit could learn it if I wanted him to so I had to revert to a pre-Diablos save).

Took a very risky approach to the fight. Basically, I wanted Diablos to Gravija so everyone got into a range to spam Limit Breaks.

After realizing Zell's Limit Break damage at this point is rather poor given the recent nerf to some of his skills, I put him on reviving duty and, to a lesser extent, Selphie. Squall just introduced Diablos to a ton of Renzokukens and did all of the work here with a bit of help from Selphie getting to cast a pair of Ultimas from her Limit Break, each one dealing about 1.3k damage.

Diablos only has two attacks that can actually kill a character...Death is one of them, his physical the other. So long as I have characters ready to revive and a healthy amount of Phoenix Downs to spare (Had like 23-24 going into this fight, used 8 or so), I can outlast this critter on very low HP levels.

Guess I'll see where this train of my ass getting kicked takes me a little later on today ;D.

#59 kotpeter

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06 September 2012 - 09:46 AM

LandonRay, on 05 September 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Unfortunately enemies can't have a minimum level and still scale.

I never tried editing or modding PS games' resources, but if enemy level is set by a formula, is it possible make it f.e. (25 + average_clvl*3/4), this would implement scaling and minimum fixed level?

#60 Foyboy

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06 September 2012 - 10:15 AM

I still contend that having a fixed minimum level with scaling is not a good mechanic. A game mechanic that encourages you to not level up is annoying and goes against a very fundamental part of RPGs. The effect of level on party stats is almost negligible. Not having scaling won't factor into the difficulty in any significant way unless someone grinds levels excessively. All it will do is create a single best strategy of carding all enemies for AP until you learn Enc-none and then not fighting random battles.

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