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How do I prevent Kaiser's meltdown?

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I've fought Kaiser a number of times on previous playthroughs and this is the very first time I'm actually having trouble with the guy.

At some point in the fight, I get the message "Kaiser's power levels are going critical. Use the elements to contain it." Shortly after, it uses meltdown and kills my whole party. The problem is, I am using elements. Whenever that message pops up I throw elemental attacks at him like crazy (bolt, fire, aurabolt, bio blaster, pretty much anything) and it melts down anyway.

What am I doing wrong? On my previous playthrough of the same version I never even got that message, I just killed it. And really fast at that.

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Remember the old man in the first WoR town? The legend he cites could come in handy, in fact it spells the strategy out for you less-than-subtly. Good thing too, because this is one of those bosses that just kills you if you don't play it his way. Spoiler-tagging the strategy, though mods may want to delete it if the in-game hints are meant to be enough.

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I won't disclose the whole mechanic (I actually thought it was pretty easy to understand when you pay close attention to his counterattack habits) but essentially you need to cycle through your different elemental attacks and when you run out of elements, reset the cycle with a non-elemental attack before he unleashes the big stuff. At least that's how I did it. He'll use purge if memory serves and it says he lost the stored energy. 

 

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I tried that approach, he still used meltdown. I hit him with all eight elements, then hit it with a non-elemental and some physicals. It worked for one round, then he used purge, I repeated the cycle, and he used ultima and meltdown instead. I'm stumped

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Nope, seems you were correct after all. Thank you.

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I forgot to use wind or fire on it a number of times. Also, it seems that the non-elemental attack doesn't have to be necessarily the last, it just has to happen. And the time you have to hit it with all elements seems to decrease with each purge, so it's best to kill it ASAP.

 

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Yes, I am also struggling with this boss.  Which is actually kind of fun because Kefka's tower so far has been fairly easy.

I've tried some of the strategies here but am struggling to even make it to the first meltdown sometimes.  He is very fast and spams strong magic attacks no matter what I do.  On my best attempt I ignored the elements mechanics and intended to use Rerise to survive meltdown, but the Ultima/Meteor spam was too much.  Anything obvious to try or is it just time to grind some levels?  I'm currently low 30s.

Any good late game leveling areas besides Kefka's tower?

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My strategy for him didn't involve grinding, I just came up with a party that could cover all elements and non-elementals, then came up with a rotation. He will become able to use each element when you attack him with it, so you start with those you either absorb or resist, and make sure to complete the rotation quickly. The only thing I didn't quite figure out is whether we need to hit him only once with each element or if there is a specific amount of damage that has to be dealt. Either way, hit him enough times with all elements and he'll reset the cycle. You'll know it happened when he uses purge. Took me a few tries to get it to work, though.

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On 8/15/2020 at 11:15 AM, Dufaux said:

... start with those you either absorb or resist, and make sure to complete the rotation quickly.

You'd think, right? This was more or less my approach to Kaiser (except I'd end each burst of elements with one that I was resistant to rather than leading with it), and is probably exactly why your first few attempts didn't succeed, and why you felt like it wasn't clear if the mechanic was working for you. I felt the same way.

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"Hit him with all the elements as quickly as possible" actually translates to "get confused about your face full of Meltdown", unless the attrition of healing back from damage and ailments suffered draws the process out just long enough.

In 2.0.1 there's an update to the NPC hint about Kaiser's gimmick that makes the necessary pacing of this battle a bit clearer:

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Many long-sealed monsters were released when the world was ripped apart, among which were eight legendary dragons.

Myths speak of a ninth dragon, the king of them all, that wielded ultimate power.

According to legend, that power could only be contained by the elements represented by the other dragons.

Each element would delay the release of the dragon king's power, but would also add to it.

That stored energy could then only be purged by a neutral force after enough time had passed for it to weaken.

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It's in beta. And the hint is actually now clearer than what was posted above.

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Many long-sealed monsters were released when the world was ripped apart, among which were eight legendary dragons. Myths speak of a ninth dragon, the king of them all, that wielded ultimate power. According to legend, that power could only be contained by the elements represented by the other dragons. Each element in succession would delay the release of the dragon king's power, but would also add to it. That stored energy could then only be purged by a neutral force after enough time had passed for it to weaken. Were the power of too many elements to be absorbed too quickly, it would be unleashed before that could happen.

 

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I like how the guy's quote gets more and more oddly specific and detailed with each update. I fully expect him to go "look, dumb shits; here's how you beat Kaiser..." by the time 2.0.5 rolls around.

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This thread got revived just in time for my question. I'm stuck at this fight at the moment with a party of Terra, Celes, Locke, and Shadow. Between them I've got Fire, Ice, Bolt, Holy, Storm (that's Wind and Water, right?), but no one has Poison. Am I screwed here?

FYI I seem to have the opposite experience of Noonic-- I found the random encounters of Kefka's Tower so tough and resource-consuming that I had to grind up for a while and try it again. All my characters were level 30 when I first tried it. 

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According to the hints, I think you're safe as long as you pace your elements well and deal enough damage with them. You forgot earth too, though.

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FYI I seem to have the opposite experience of Noonic-- I found the random encounters of Kefka's Tower so tough and resource-consuming that I had to grind up for a while and try it again. All my characters were level 30 when I first tried it. 

To be clear I also struggled some with the random encounters.  Learning who the priority targets were and strategies for the various characters has made things go more smoothly but there were still some hairy moments.   When I said things were "fairly easy" I was referring more to the bosses.  I had one shot all of them.  I was also around 30 when I first started the tower.

I did finally clear Kaiser with an average level of 35.  I never grinded for levels, but I did end up taking 4 different parties into Kefka's tower to Kaiser before I found a winning combo.  For me it was:  Mog, Celes, Terra, Strago.  All of these characters had equip loadouts that blocked, halfed or absorbed most elements. 

This is what it felt like it took to beat him.  Unsure if these tips are right or not, but it's what I did:
- Always be applying elements.  If I stopped applying elements he would cast Meteor, Ultima, Bonebreak or other nasty attacks that wiped me out.  If Terra's turn came up and I had nothing better to do I'd just cast Fire 1.
- Identify elements you're weak to (holy, dark) and make sure you can immediately apply a different element afterward

- Look at all your spells.  I didn't realize that Demi was Earth until this fight.  Also even though he is immune to Demi it counts as applying Earth.
- <3 Strago Shield
- I don't think he has that much health.  I was prioritizing stability over damage (often casting level 1 Elemental magic just to apply the element) and I killed him right before the third purge

I'm unsure about the "pacing" conversation above, but the first time I tried the second purge with Black Omen it failed and I panicked a bit.  When Strago's turn came up next I Black Omen'ed a second time and it worked.

Overall the strategy of this fight was cool, but I'm not sure if I ever would have figured it out just from the in game hint.  The idea is really good, but maybe it just needs to be relaxed a bit so its more easily discoverable in game?  Dunno.  Not meaning to criticize.  I had a ton of fun tracking all the elements I had applied on a sheet of paper and making sure I did everything right.  Felt like a kid again :).

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I completely agree with that, it was even more fun than the Kefka fight. I even found two parties that worked on different playthroughs:

Party 1 (99% of the actual damage came from Sabin's physicals, as Celes and Edgar had been built tanky and Gau just healed):

  • Celes (Holy and Ice)
  • Edgar (Water, Poison and MP heals)
  • Sabin (Holy again, Fire, Wind and Bolt)
  • Gau (yes, Gau) (Earth and healing with Gargoyle rage, total winner)

Party 2 (I did this one without Holy somehow):

  • Tanky Terra (Fire, Ice, Bolt)
  • Magical Mog (Wind, Earth, Ice)
  • Setzer (Fixed Dice and healing, dealt more damage than the other 3 combined, because for some reason Mog got a fixation on casting Mirage during Snowman Jazz)
  • Edgar again (Water, Poison and MP heals)

Looking forward to the third playthrough

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so I'm at Kaiser right now and after a couple of tries came here to lurk for advice. I have terra mog setzer and cyan right now. So for the Holy element, am i screwed? No way to cast holy, but what if I hit him with the Longinus (holy damage) or another weapon that hits for holy damage, does that count as the element? I guess I will try and see, if he hits me with holy afterward I guess I'll know it worked. On my first try I got him to the purge part without using any holy damage so maybe all 8 aren't 100% required.

Edit: geez this guy is no joke. I ran out of MP so fast since my only non-elemental spell is ultima on Terra. And my tintures have all been depleted from all the other dragons and what not. I think I'll have to just exit the dungeon and go back in with a stacked team for this spot. Did get him past two purges though, but my Terra just doesn't have a ton of MP and even cycling through I got hit with an Ultima and needed to heal and start hitting elementals again but was out of options. Tough but I like the challenge. I had planned on leaving before Kefka and coming back anyway so I'll just do that earlier than expected!

2nd edit: question- do you have to cycle through each element in order, or do you just keep hitting him with just any element and as long as you cycle through them all you're ok? like if i went fire-ice-fire does this "reset" anything or impact negatively?

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