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19 hours ago, Nesouk said:

Correct you need the Fire Spirit to learn Power Up, to be honnest you shouldn't aim for it while in Class 2, in this mod you are suppose to change to Class 3 at least just after getting Salamando and Undine, so at best Power Up on Monk is only for 1 dungeon and 1 boss fight if you go for Salamando first, and personnaly I prefer going for Undine first, as she teach Power Down (or Water Jutsu for Dark Hawk), making mob fight and the second Bill and Ben fight much easier.

Yea that fight was extremely rough for me.  I'm level 50 with my party now and I just took a break because I'm getting whooped by anything and everything.  I'm going after my first god beast I have to spam heal to survive every screen while heading for the earth god beast.  Not sure what I'm doing wrong, I have Magus, Warrior Monk and Duelist.  I have the reflect physical damage armors on Kevin and Duran.

 

Any suggestions?  I'm still on difficulty 4/5.  I don't feel like my gear is outdated or anything, but it is hard to afford new gear.

For Kevin I have the reflect armor, latest weapon that scales with PIE

 

My guys stats are 

Duran - 242/153/70/111

Kevin - 226/148/67/165

Angela - 171/132/49/161

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On 8/18/2020 at 8:10 PM, Highandry said:

Yea that fight was extremely rough for me.  I'm level 50 with my party now and I just took a break because I'm getting whooped by anything and everything.  I'm going after my first god beast I have to spam heal to survive every screen while heading for the earth god beast.  Not sure what I'm doing wrong, I have Magus, Warrior Monk and Duelist.  I have the reflect physical damage armors on Kevin and Duran.

 

Any suggestions?  I'm still on difficulty 4/5.  I don't feel like my gear is outdated or anything, but it is hard to afford new gear.

For Kevin I have the reflect armor, latest weapon that scales with PIE

 

My guys stats are 

Duran - 242/153/70/111

Kevin - 226/148/67/165

Angela - 171/132/49/161

Anyone?

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I think you take more damage thanks to the reflect physical damage armors.

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Since you have Magus and Duelist for mob fight you could get an armor with better defensive stat, use Magatama on Magus and she can inflict Curse with Dark Force, for ennemy that absorbs/reflect Dark use Duelist's Antimagic, can also use the new Shields available on Deen and Altena on Duelist for increase defense and draw the aggro, for a stronger heal try to grind Warrior Monk's Final weapon, you can use Power Down with him to reduce the damage take. On hardest difficulties having to heal often is normal.

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After a long time, I think I want to try out a Rogue, Warrior Monk, Star Lancer set up. Rogue seem like will be the spell caster in that team, Star Lancer buffs and can boost further Rogue's dark/light spells, has Marduke, Warrior debuffs, Rogue also got a def debuffing spell, where the Warrior Monk lacks it.  MT Sleep Flower. Team lacks more elemental sabers and Anti-Magic tho.

 

Building it around the curse upgrade, you could also use the dark saber on enemies since Rogue and WM got Dark resistence with Star Lancer equiping some equipment that resists dark and weakness removing equipment.

 

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Be aware that Rogue's spells take the Ennemy's Physical defense into account and not Magic Defense, so against ennemy with High Physical Defense (like Xian Bhe's Furnace and Zable Fahr's right head) your only good offensive spell is Marduke, Rogue is still really good since you have to invest a lot in Luck just to get his spells, he gains a lot of benefit from it not only power his spells it also make him good for Crit Build (and with Star Lancer and Warrior Monk you have both Energy Ball and Detect) and Weapons that inflict Statut Effect.

On my side I finish my Death Hand, Ninja Master, Grand Divina playthrough and with it complete my first run with Mirage Palace route thing I have to say :

-Death Hand is definitly more versatile and a good mix of support and Damage, as well as much more usefull Final Weapon that what he uses to have, I did make a mistake with him however but I'll talk about that later, in any case he is fun to play, is no longer a "Duelist Like" character altough I liked the old Death Hand can't deny the new one is more his own thing. Not much else to say about Ninja Master and Gran Divina already cover them in previous posts.

-Mirage Palace route definitly had the easiest Final Bosses, Deathjester hit hard and can be annoying but is just a matter not losing track of the real one, Heath is just annoying running around but his attacks aren't to threatning and he can be sort of stunlock in the correct position as for Dark Lich since he is an Undead the best option is definitly to Heal Light him to Death was able to deal 999 damage with Gran Divina this way (Magic Shield + Protect Earring + Druid Cane), battle still last a while cause as all final boss he has a lot of HP to go through, and can be tricky due to using multiple gimmick of the previous God Beasts at once. However while the bosses where fairly easy goddamn I thought Dragon Hole was bad, well Mirage Palace is horrible, it last way to long for my taste, have a lot of force Fights including the "God of War" like with Dozens of ennemies to kill in succession (thank god it isn't right before the boss unlike Dragon Hole), annoying ennemies... It's just a pain to go through, I honnestly got tired by the end and just end up running away from every encounter, I don't think I'll ever do this dungeon again.

And I'm now doing a playthrough with Duran, Kevin and Lise as Swordmaster, Warrior Monk and Star Lancer so things to note :

-The Crit rework : I already mentionned it in a previous post, and after discussing with Praetarius about Crit mechanic, it become apparent that with the last update LUCK has become a Stat just as important as VIT and PIE to survive on Hard, my mistake with Death Hand is I didn't put a single point in LUCK as a result Death Hand was getting Crit by absolutly everything, which cause him to being quite hard to keep alive, so now pretty much has to invest in Luck for Defensive purpose, I'm testing what value would be cumfortable enough. Also as a result the Steel Bracelet has become a very valuable accessory for no-luck focus Build that 50% Crit Resistance is usefull.

And so this cause me to reroute my early game play, previously I focused on the offensive Stats then focusing on VIT and PIE, well for this run I change this a bit, the offensive are still the first to invest however after maxing them I decide to focus on VIT and LUCK instead of PIE, and while it certainly help for mob fight (especially in Dwarf Cave) the main reason for this is Jewel Eater, Jewel Eater Crit for over 200 damage WITH bulette's scale so this is a one shot at this point, so obviously can't let that happen, so now upping the Luck to 5/6 is pretty much needed and add the Steel Bracelet and he should barely got any crit which up the chances to survive, suprisingly the lack in PIE isn't to bad for his spells. After Jewel Eater we can do pretty much whatever in term of stat since their won't be any bosses before the Second Class Change.

So for this run I'm still trying to get my LUCK up there, I think for Kevin and Lise I'm gonna aim at 20-25 for the end of the game, since I'm doing a Crit Build with Swordmaster I'm gonna max out his Luck by the end. And since we are at it I'm testing stuff I haven't tested/use in previous runs :

-So first off the Dwarf Village armor is a really good one for mob fight that I have underestimate, as it give a good bonus in Evasion but also a godd Crit Resistance, very good for mob fight, the new effect of adding TP per dodge has an unfortunate glitch but it can be work around and it's in fact a really good effect to pretty much guaranteed to land Counter for character build around Countering.

-Next the Reflex tier armor, I definitly should have use that Armor for Gran Divina in my previous run, the recovering more MP per tick is really usefull and would have probably work wonder with Angela's High INT and Death Hand's Magic Shield, feel dumb for not having thought about that, but in any case I'm making good use of this Armor with Star Lancer, since as a support character she can end having to cast a lot of spells it's really usefull to manage her MP, and the big Magic Defense it give is nice for bosses since Bosses tend to cast a lot of spells.

-Now for Warrior Monk's Final Weapon 2 update ago I stated how I was very disappointed by that Final Weapon as back then even with a Full Tech Bar it increase to healing was inferior to the "Stronger Heal Light" tier of weapon, but now it is much better now at base it increase his healing power and the bonus grow stronger with TP, I had fear it might be OP but it isn't it's a better increase while not being stupidly high (tough I guess maybe with 2 Protect Earrings it might be), so now it heal better than the "Stronger Heal Light" weapon with also a slightly better attack power.

-Profit for this run to try the new effect of Colichemarde more seriously since I started building Duran for Crit as soon as Class 2, and this weapon serve it's purpose, Duran gets a good amount of Crit and in Class 3 as Swordmaster when he get Energy Ball, and we can also get the Crit Helm combine with Fencer Armband, and Duran Crit quite a lot, and when he crit over Double Damage so that's actually really usefull.

-And so let's talk about his Final Weapon, now with the Crit being buffed it's a good weapon of course, Duran Crit quite often and with Energy Ball combine with Warrior Monk's Detect and access to all Sabers to exploite any weaknesses (or day system) Swordmaster can make great use of this weapon, the 1 Damage on normal hit isn't an issue anymore cause the Crit Rate is decent enough and they deal a lot of damage and we can still deal Damage through Tech as unlike Colichemarde we don't need to save our Tech Point to ehance the effect (in that regard it's really the logical next weapon for Swordmaster after Colichemarde), so yeah a good weapon. Duran has a really good versatility for his Dark Classes, Duelist is totally focus on dealing Damage with raw power and powerfull tech, Swordmaster is more focus on Support with all the Sabers and doing damage with Crit.
And so for Crit Build Swordmaster is really good using Ragnarok, Skull Head and Fencer Armband makes him really great and he can still use his Second Accessory slot to put a Shield for Defensive purpose.

So yeah overall keeping the Luck up to date really make this run going a lot smoother than the previous one currently defeated 5 God Beasts, for now I say the Hardest boss were Land Umber and Xian Bhe, since this team lack Defense Down option and Magic Damage outside of Marduke as well as Land Umber being one of the 2 bosses were Crit don't work at all he ended up being quite annoying to deal with this team, Xian Bhe is tough for the same reason, Crit doesn't work on him and lack of Magic Damage make the Furnace a pain to destroy and then his Lava Wave is dangerous as it deal over 100 damage to everyone with apparently no way to reduce it, since he reduce our Max HP down to 100 at that point it become a party wipe, pretty much force to let a character die to revive at full HP to be safe and it doesn't help Duran and Light Kevin are both Weak to Fire.

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1 hour ago, Nesouk said:

then his Lava Wave is dangerous as it deal over 100 damage to everyone with apparently no way to reduce it

it ignores defense and is non-elemental so I can only think of magic power debuff and evil shamans weapon (well, and difficulty setting). if all else fails you can use the armor that lets you defy death at cost of mp

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1 minute ago, praetarius5018 said:

it ignores defense and is non-elemental so I can only think of magic power debuff and evil shamans weapon (well, and difficulty setting). if all else fails you can use the armor that lets you defy death at cost of mp

Yeah but since I did him as my second God Beast that Armor wasn't available yet ^^", I had Mind Down on him wasn't enough reduce the Damage to around 130 maybe Evil Shaman weapon and Life Booster would help possibly.

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Yeah I was thinking to try Swordmaster and do a build around his final weapon, Warrior Monk Seems like a perfect partner for him.

Swordmaster, Warrior Monk, Wanderer so it can do also some magical damage mainly when you get his final weapon via Half Vanish, but also got Anti-Magic, Lunatic, Magic Shield. Kevin heals, debuffs. Swordmaster got all sabers, self speed up and energy ball. Team lacks a def down reducer tho, and a def up so you would have to use Duran to draw agro and have Hawk to cast Magic Shield on him when fighting mobs. Or use Transshape on him

 

Swordmaster, Vanadies, Ninja Master - similar to a team I used with Duelist instead but this time focusing on crit build for Swordmaster. You have no heal light till after the final class change (level 43 or something), you really want to use have those weapons that heal HP till you get Heal Light. And no Anti-Magic. But besides that it got Buffs, debuffs, Sabers, Transshape for your agro user. If it comes down to spells and you really have to use it on a certain boss then it might be a good idea to get Lise's final Weapon just in case for those few fights, Duran with sabers would allow her to attack with any element using her summon. But most of the time she will be the healer/tank role preferably, with the few exceptions where you need spells like one of the two Zable Fahr heads for instance.

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Also you could do Swordmaster, Vanadis, Arch Mage similar to a team I played just replacing Duelist, Arch Mage keep Power Down and Mind Down the 2 most important Debuff, but also Anti Magic and Aura Wave usefull for ennemies resistant to physical and enabling more Tech from Swordmaster, having access to all Sabers mean Swordmaster can increase damage of every spell that Angela has combine with her Final Weapon the team got good damage both Physical and Magical. Vanadis being the buffer, healer and can do some Magic Elemental damage with her Final Weapon and Duran's Saber if ever needed.

Or could go Swordmaster, Vanadis, Nightblade get access to all Debuff as well as HP Max reduction with Deadly Weapon, Silence with Blow Needles which is usefull for ennemy with Strong Tech (Knight and Bee type come to mind) and Spellcaster like Wizard, can also set Curse with Blow Needles and Black Rain and Leaf Coat with Poison Breath (could be use with his LV3 Tech, Fire Breath or Vanadis's Final Weapon + Duran's Flame Saber).

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I copied a save file just before doing the final class changes, Level 38 Ninja, Valkyrie Gladiator. I will try both Nightblade and Ninja Master with Swordmaster at some point, for Ragnarok max potential you would want Ninja Master with Analyse I feel. While building Ninja Master to use Counters since this team lacks anti magic, while Hawk's spells are physical. Silence is really a valuable tool tho as well and Deadly Weapon. Will try both anyway and see which one I fare better with, never used Swordmaster before this should be fun.

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So a question when it comes to Ragnarok does it take the STR stat into consideration (since it does 1 damage regular attacks)? Or is it a purely LCK reliant weapon?

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Alright Swordmaster, Warrior Monk, Starlancer run done a good party :

-Swordmaster was basically my damage dealer for most of the game with Crit Build focusing on LCK then STR and once they are max out just focus on VIT and PIE (more PIE cause of Crimson Wizard and Dragon Emperor heavily focusing on Magic), altough for the endgame I decided to buy Pedan's weapon that allow to ignore physical resistance/immunity, as I found out there was a lot of mobs like this in the Final Dungeon, so for mobs I was using this weapon, and then swapping back to his Final Weapon. His damage were pretty could reach over 200 per Crit with Saber of corresponding weakness. Use the Fencer Armband for pretty much the all game obviously, since no Armor ehance Crit I just used the High Evade one, and then the Revive by consuming MP one near the end (and boy did this armor save my ass a couple of time on Black Rabite), the high Luck means also not much Crit from the ennemies.

-Warrior Monk boy I love this Class for Kevin, a Healer that can debuff is fun by the end of the game with Max out PIE, Protect Earring, Mind Up, Holy Glove with Full TP he could heal the party for 700HP, since I max out his PIE and VIT and get a cumfortable LCK toward the end I decided to max his STR and there you have it a great healer with decent damage capability as well as debuffing, a great partner for Swordmaster with Power Up and Detect.

-Starlancer typical Buffer I end up building her as a Tank investing primarly on VIT, PIE and LCK toward the end I also increase her AGL..... just because I needed someone with high AGL for Trap Chest (honnestly if you don't invest in AGL the Ring just get so ridiculous and he take forever to stop once you press the button, so really yeah having a character with AGL high is more than welcome for that), in any case typical buffing, Marduke is still an excellent crowd control spell thanks to Silence, Aura Wave synergise well to maximize Warrior Monk Tech Gauge fast in order to max out his Final Weapon effect, and Energy Ball allow for Swordmaster to not with having to cast it.

On various subject :

-LUCK importance : outside of Swordmaster which I obviously max out LUCK, I ended with 25-26 LCK with Starlancer and Warrior Monk, with Steel Bracelet to be safe and it paid off the Ennemies critting wasn't nearly as bad as my previous run and did say much less Crit from physical focus fight like Black Rabite, so I guess on Hard investing in LCK to around this value is very much welcome (until 2.0 bring the accessory to disable Crit at least ^^).

-Black Rabite without Thorn Damage : I wanted to beat this little bastard without Thorn Damage from either the Armor or Curse, gonna say it this fight is really tough with Reflected Damage, but first off having invest in Luck he doesn't get nearly as much Crit this already help, then I used rpschamp strat of casting Saber of the Character Resistance, since Swordmaster and Warrior Monk are both resistance to Ice I cast Ice Saber on him he still deal a lot of damage but not nearly as bad, I ended up having to use 17 Angel's Grail, killed like 7 LV99 Great Demons (fuck this bastards seriously), Duran only died one I have some close call but the Armor that resurrect upon Death save my ass, this is a real rough fight without Reflect Damage but at least now I've done without it (next time I'll try Bigieu without it).

-The Sabers on character resistance tend to work specifically on bosses that rely on Physical it was really good against Darkshine Knight notably, I guess I could have use it on some other boss like Dolan (since if you have a character with a Shield he will always target that character with his physical might be good to give him the Saber of this character resistance).

In any case fun run, think I'm gonna redo a run of Dark Castle with the last update, I'm thinking of picking Lise, Hawkeye and Carlie and go Fenrir Knight, Wanderer and Bishop.

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17 Angels Grails sheesh.

Well I still haven't finished my run, I beat 2 GB, stopped playing the game at Mispolm due to the bugs again, like the item ring wont assemble and would freeze the game, happened to me twice in that fight. And it's not the same rom I used before, I downloaded a different one but still similar problems pretty much in all my runs occur. Despite how amazing this mod is, these bugs kills the enjoyment to me at the same time also.

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7 minutes ago, smileless said:

17 Angels Grails sheesh.

Well I still haven't finished my run, I beat 2 GB, stopped playing the game at Mispolm due to the bugs again, like the item ring wont assemble and would freeze the game, happened to me twice in that fight. And it's not the same rom I used before, I downloaded a different one but still similar problems pretty much in all my runs occur. Despite how amazing this mod is, these bugs kills the enjoyment to me at the same time also.

Tell me about it the last update has been really bad on this, the worst offender of this are Dragon Emperor the fight can last over an hour with how Bulky he is nothing worst than the game softlocking after you manage this guy for dozens of minutes, but at least starting from a fresh load (an actual true reset) and rushing to him up the odds of not getting softlocked significantly....... however fucking Dangaard on the other Hand is probably the worst boss for technical issue, no joke I don't think it's possible to beat him without speeding the fight with Silence without the game softlocking, I've tried 5 times in a row to beat him without Silence reseting my game each time prior and every time it end up softlocking (the First and Third phase seems to be the worst), and even with Silence it can still glitch out and in the worst way possible like getting a Black Screen after his death animation -_-.

Whatever Prae tried to do to reduce the lag in the last update, I'm afraid due to this game wackiness it end up making it even worse than before.

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