Nice data, I figured it was very close to other melee fighters. Artemis Cape so gud.
Momo vs Nina
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07 October 2013 - 06:58 AM
Just to give an idea, it's this..
as opposed to.. this.
as opposed to.. this.
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07 October 2013 - 07:01 AM
XtraT, on 07 October 2013 - 06:54 AM, said:
Nice data, I figured it was very close to other melee fighters. Artemis Cape so gud.
Yeah. Also, the lowest accuracy is indeed Momo as I said, but the second lowest are both Peco and Garr at 90. Whelp, Teepo, and Child Ryu all clock in at 95, with Adult Ryu, Rei, and Nina (Child and Adult) at 100.
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07 October 2013 - 08:45 AM
70, hm? I'd of guessed 43. lulz
But I'll be more than happy to work with her if she even gets a slight accuracy boost.
But I'll be more than happy to work with her if she even gets a slight accuracy boost.
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08 October 2013 - 04:26 AM
70% accuracy isn't that terrible really.
#confirmationbias
#confirmationbias
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08 October 2013 - 04:40 AM
Especially how it's really 80% since she always has access to the Artemis Cape and to repeat myself, later in the game she has access to Shadowwalk.
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08 October 2013 - 09:29 AM
Stann, on 08 October 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:
70% accuracy isn't that terrible really.
#confirmationbias
#confirmationbias
It's not but it's kind of unreliable when you compare it to the fact that -- without Shadowwalk -- she has 10% less than everyone else and isn't even your strongest physical attacker.
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08 October 2013 - 09:52 AM
Exactly. She's not your strongest physical attacker. If you're including a mage in your party for her physical attacking prowess, you're doing it wrong.
She's a mage with a decent attacking power, which isn't as reliable as your physical attackers. I don't see the problem. >.>
If you're including a mage in your party for her physical attacking prowess, you're doing it wrong.She's a mage with a decent attacking power, which isn't as reliable as your physical attackers. I don't see the problem. >.>
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08 October 2013 - 09:57 AM
Stann, on 08 October 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:
Exactly. She's not your strongest physical attacker. If you're including a mage in your party for her physical attacking prowess, you're doing it wrong.
She's a mage with a decent attacking power, which isn't as reliable as your physical attackers. I don't see the problem. >.>
If you're including a mage in your party for her physical attacking prowess, you're doing it wrong.She's a mage with a decent attacking power, which isn't as reliable as your physical attackers. I don't see the problem. >.>
Good point.
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08 October 2013 - 10:20 AM
Besides, I like Momo's flavour. She's a spell caster slash scientist, so in order to make up for her lacking physical prowess, she invented a portable cannon. It makes sense. 
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08 October 2013 - 10:22 AM
Stann, on 08 October 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:
Besides, I like Momo's flavour. She's a spell caster slash scientist, so in order to make up for her lacking physical prowess, she invented a portable cannon. It makes sense.
She is getting that accuracy boost though just because of the way she's being designed.
That said, if you were going to do a spreadsheet listing growths, what level benchmarks would you use, given the game in question?
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08 October 2013 - 10:31 AM
Advent, on 08 October 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:
and isn't even your strongest physical attacker.
She has the same PWR as Rei and has the highest INT in the game
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08 October 2013 - 10:32 AM
Hm.... I would probably go with multiples of 10. Just because I have a bias towards even numbers.
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08 October 2013 - 10:33 AM
Maybe Momo's hits seem stronger because of that bazooka delayed- SFX.
*Boom*
*smack*
*Boom*
*smack*
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08 October 2013 - 10:48 AM
Archael, on 08 October 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:
Maybe Momo's hits seem stronger because of that bazooka delayed- SFX.
*Boom*
*smack*
*Boom*
*smack*
That 1 second delay where you're praying it won't miss makes her hit for more.
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08 October 2013 - 11:03 AM
XtraT, on 08 October 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:
She has the same PWR as Rei and has the highest INT in the game
Not anymore.
Also Stann, her accuracy is being raised by 10 points so that you have the option to make her a hybrid; giving her the Artemis Cap at that point raises her accuracy to be even with Garr and Peco.
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08 October 2013 - 11:12 AM
What are you going to do about the faerie village (and farmable stat boosting items?)
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08 October 2013 - 11:19 AM
XtraT, on 08 October 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:
What are you going to do about the faerie village (and farmable stat boosting items?)
Not sure yet, but since I've got an idea of where shop data is I'll probably be making Multivitamins not farmable so easily. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, though.
If someone wants to, something I really need (due to unfamiliarity¹ with the game) is a list of benchmarks listing the following:
- When broken exploits² arise
- The level you get there at, and possibly..
- What Dragon Genes become available at that point
I'm trying to balance skills and such out right now, as the stat overhaul means that skills and items are going to have to be balanced out (as they stand, you could run the game naked and it wouldn't be too much of a difference from gearing up, accessories and special effects excluded due to the massive base stats increase).
¹Lacking in intricate knowledge of the game that you only get by playing it over and over and over, learning every trick in the book.
²Think stuff like pushing the door in Suikoden 2 to go and get Futch and then grinding to high as fuck levels in that area, or just stuff that can be abused.
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08 October 2013 - 11:28 AM
Getting max exp from the lava dudes in Mt Gulug (need high fire resist) is probably the biggest ''exploit'' I can think of. I guess using Influence on Balio so Sunder attacks him can also be called an exploit.
There's obviously the broken stuff like a Fahl'd Peco in attack formation, Kaiser Ryu spamming Aura, Shadowwalk being too good for its AP cost, Weretiger+Influence (although with higher HP bosses it might not be broken due to the huge drawback of being berserk till dead).
Oh and obviously farming stat boosting items from the faerie shop. There's also other pretty strong items you can get from there (kinda like 1.3 poaching)
There's obviously the broken stuff like a Fahl'd Peco in attack formation, Kaiser Ryu spamming Aura, Shadowwalk being too good for its AP cost, Weretiger+Influence (although with higher HP bosses it might not be broken due to the huge drawback of being berserk till dead).
Oh and obviously farming stat boosting items from the faerie shop. There's also other pretty strong items you can get from there (kinda like 1.3 poaching)
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08 October 2013 - 11:35 AM
Btw Advent, please don't fall intro the trap of equality=balance.
Making all the characters similar only makes the game more boring, not more balanced. If you're going to make X character viable, make sure it's because their niche is useful, not because they're not worse than Y character.
Making all the characters similar only makes the game more boring, not more balanced. If you're going to make X character viable, make sure it's because their niche is useful, not because they're not worse than Y character.
