Insane Difficulty: Momo vs Nina - Insane Difficulty

Stann, on 08 October 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

I'm not; I'm being very careful in that regard.

Every character is being designed in a certain way, but there's enough leeway that for the most part you can build them how you want, and each character has something unique about them. There are going to be clear advantages and disadvantages (both in stats and skillsets) for choosing Nina over Momo, Peco over Garr, or even Rei in lieu of one of those.

XtraT, on 08 October 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

That first one will inevitably be addressed since monsters will have to undergo massive changes so they don't die downwind of a Feign Swing. The second I'm not sure really qualifies as an exploit, but you could make the fight easier using that I agree. I'll look into that when I get into the enemies.

XtraT, on 08 October 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Master attributes are being revamped in addition to some of the Master skills.

Complete Kaiser if possible will be toned way down, and if I can't do that monsters are going to be toned up to compensate (or something else will be done, I'll cross that bridge when I come to it).

Weretiger + Influence at the beginning of a boss fight will show you the Game Over screen very quickly; as you said it comes with a huge drawback of being berserked till he's taken out.

XtraT, on 08 October 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Yeah I'm gonna have to take a look at that as well.

Archael, on 08 October 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

That's hilarious.

Angel, on 08 October 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

That actually makes sense if you think about it. It builds that suspense and then when she actually hits something during that moment she needs to you're like:

Advent, on 08 October 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

You know, you could also apply that to using Garr's Gambit skill after a Last Resort, 4 War Shouts, and 2 Focuses. You're not sure if it's going to hit, but if it does...dat picture ;D.

Anima Zero, on 08 October 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

Yup.

Hahaha. Love the photo. But yeah, thinking about it further...that's pretty sweet.

Whenever i played this game I always used Momo in the end game, I thought she had better magic over all? I mean you can learn other elemental skills to give her to add to her Earth Magic. (Like that fire spell from Vulcan or something). The fact that she can heal and buff is why I think she is the most important.

Sure Nina can learn a lot of attack magic which is useful early game when you don't have a lot of enemy magic spells to give to other characters, but near end game, she is pretty weak defensively and her attack magic usually becomes less useful when you are probably using Dragon Genes with Ryu into Kaiser or something.

The fact that Momo can't hit is whatever, I mean I use her for Magic support and attack, rarely I am having her attack, unless I gave her awful skills to use or she is out of MP.

Anyway, I would like to see the hack no favor one character over the other just to keep game play interesting and open for different combinations over all.

ForTheRobot, on 03 February 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

Magic scales terribly, which has a lot to do with it. I'm doing some workarounds to deal with that.

ForTheRobot, on 03 February 2014 - 12:33 PM, said:

Without giving too much away, Momo is a melee/healing hybrid now, whereas Nina is heavily magical, mostly damage with a few healing spells.

Momo is the strongest healer in the game if you ignore Ascension.

I chose nina for multiple reasons...... one of which being that she has a bit of (albeit irrelevant to dragon trial) nostalgic feel since she was in both of BoF3's ancestral games, another being that she was good in vanilla but obviously that has changed in dragon trial

lastly I would like to note that as soon as I could get good gear for momo in vanilla I would basically give nina the boot for lack of a better term since momo could tank stuff like a boss

that probably will be changed in dragon trial as well so I will see what happens

LongSword25, on 05 February 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

Nina is actually really, really bad in Vanilla. She's better in Dragon Trial.

LongSword25, on 05 February 2014 - 01:40 PM, said:

If you want a tank, you're probably not gonna be using Momo. >.>

Garr or Peco, depending on what you're tanking.

BOTH. One for offense, one for defense.

Mage ryu. put momo on bunyan and keep her ass on him. dump shadowwalk on her. put peco on fahl game. at least in vanilla i never liked garr or ryu. and always hated nina. Shadow walk gives momos str gains from bunyan and her amazing weapon damage something useful to do. cuz that hit rate is sad. but with shadowwalk you can just dump damage gear on her and lol ur way to victory. with peco spamming breath and counter attacks and ryu slinging magic it works out very well. and mage ryu has a nice mp pool for dragonforms. Thats how i played at least >.>

What Nina can do: mid damage with magic, cure?

What Momo can do: high attack(if hits), more resistant, still good at magic, spot an elemental weakness, scan?, and the most important one: the story push you back to the camp 50% of times if you don't bring Momo(due to make work a machine, or something)

Momo forever

Tenkarider, on 04 August 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

Tenkarider, on 04 August 2014 - 06:07 PM, said:

Magic sucks in Vanilla because of the way resistance is handled. I have a way to get around this which is gone into in detail in other posts.

I never really got Momo in vanilla BoF3. Her attack was okay-ish, her magic was mostly not super useful, and I didn't know what to do with masters for her. Nina makes things go boom. I guess I haven't put a lot of time into figuring out Momo, though.

Advent, on 04 August 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

True story, and so you end up to smash everything with aura/melee/dragon...

Despite you heard me shooting a super high vote on FF6 and my personal vote on BoF 3 isn't 10/10, could you believe that, if someone asks me which is my favourite game(very hard question), probably my answer would be BoF 3?