Darkcelestrian

Get the rom, get an ips patcher, patch the hack into the rom and there ya go. There's tutorials on youtube that can help you with that.

Make a savestate just before you're about to kill the tonberry then kill it, if it doesn't drop the item during the reward screen then go back to the state you saved and do it again until you get the doll. This doesn't work for items like gambler spirit, healing spring, twin stars, dark matter, golden flower, and twilight flower though as these items have a chance to be given once you leave the battle screen entirely.

So are we ever going to get to play that v9 "beta" you got to test out Doomsday? I mean Dk's prolly dealing with life atm so no one really knows when or if the full v9 will ever be released. Best I got is the alpha that was originally posted on insane difficulty.

Any rules? Well besides cheating that is.

 Not sure what super bosses would rank from easiest to hardest but anti guys come to mind, been awhile since I played smrpga partly cuz I've played it so much I needed a break while we wait for finished v9, and the terraria calamity mod which is equally difficult, probably even more so. 

Think it's possible to speed run with some super bosses added in?

Go to the current version of smrpga on this site and scroll down, you'll see something called see changelog, click that and you'll see previous versions of the hack.

lol

8 hours ago, Xainn said:

Ahhh okay, makes sense I suppose even though I can't see what in lazy shell editor would make them go beyond dmg limit, any clue of an optimal way to level the heros so that they aren't wasting stats and to make content easier? I went full matk on Mario like an idiot lol, same with peach and mallow... Needless to say having 1100 hp is kinda rough lol, and I wish that I could see the stats on the galaxy ring and galaxy stuff before I farm a bajillion coins... Any clue the best place to farm quick gil? or a better way to get galaxy coins? Also, does defeating a super boss a 2nd time yield the same item? I really need to clean up my inventory lol afraid I may want to get the items again later though, and also can Latios and Latias appear anywhere? So could I go grind forest maze for them like I did Celebi? For the life of me I can't seem to get them to appear, I've been inside the area where Goddess is with the Thonberries for a long while now, well over 255 encounters while inside here, Idk how many they require though.

You can't take back level stats+ once you set them in v8 unfortunately so you're kinda screwed there. The final fantasy random encounters give a lot of gold coins upon defeat so you could try farming them for coins. The beetle minigame that you can replay at booster hill (the place where you did the barrel jumping minigame) gives ten galaxy coins if you can catch a golden beetle but besides that and finding stray g.coins around I just buy em from luma. I don't think defeating a super boss a second time gives the unique item it drops twice because I beat rydia twice yet she didn't give me a 2nd rainbow robe (not sure if this is the case for all of them though). The most common way that people find latios and latias is to go to the end of rose way, encounter the amayzee daisy hidden monster and to keep running from it until the two pokemons show up each, you don't have to beat the monster and their encounter mechanic is the same as celebi's just not as high. Super speed helps a lot there but be wary cuz they will get first strike once you encounter them.

4 hours ago, Xainn said:

I seem in a video someone saying Ultima actually breaks the 9999 dmg cap even though it shows 9999.. Is this true? Also if so can any other abilities do the same or similar?

Yes ultima breaks the 9999 damage barrier tho it doesn't actually show it in v8. Mallow's dark star, and geno's meteor can do it too I believe. Mallow is my choice for early grinding cuz darkstar only cost 18 fp to use.

13 hours ago, LongSword25 said:

trust me armageddon is THE ULTIMATE LAST RESORT as your max FP gets decreased by a whopping 30 PERMANENTLY upon use so yea, now as for fighting dawn i have a question for you........... how the hell are you having trouble fighting uxie with literally the best gear in the game? just hit it a few times and then spam a pokeball just like the others............. and with the ultimate equipment thats really all u need is a couple decent timed attacks to widdle it down enough............... also, is this v9 ur playing or v8 because if its v9 then u need to slap that soul dew on geno or mallow, go beat magus/schala which with that gear is a joke and give peach the item u win from them and then ur set until u can catch dialga and palkia which are required to catch arceus but they wont become available until uxie mespirit and azelf are caught

That's what I was wondering too lol. 

Or lazy shell lol tho I'd be careful with lazy shell. I only use it to make it so the pokemon attacks not randomly do 9999 damage.

Ten's the max amount of uses it has.

Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf are all in different spots throughout the world map, one being in the place you meet Mallow's tadpole grandfather all the way at the bottom right leading to the next room, one in the first place you fought croco and the other I can't remember but it's not too hard to find. Once you find them all you have to go to areas with dark pink rooms that seemingly have nothing in it to fight can catch them.

 Palkia, dialga, giratina, and arceus are all in the nimbus area. Latios and Latias can be encountered after you find kyogre, groudon and rayquaza and have a chance to find either one of them everytime you encounter a hidden monster. Best way to find latios and latias is to keep encountering amayzee dayzee's at the end of roseway and running from the flower until the pokemon shows up.

Cool.

3 hours ago, Doomsday31415 said:

All of those moves have been nerfed to no longer randomly insta kill, with the possible exception of Meteor.

Ok that's what I was crying about thank you, very sorry I went off like it did. That being said, they can be way more damaging like fissure being more powerful than earthquake and would do like 2k damage to someone if they was hit with def down cuz the fights really are easy when you aren't getting randomly nine'd and that's without even relying on regen

3 hours ago, Doomsday31415 said:

To be fair, I said less because I don't remember if anyone still has Meteor besides Ozma, and I don't remember if Meteor was nerfed.

I'm just saying the pokemon should not have abilities that's like meteor, hydro pump, fire blast, shadow force, psychic, solar beam. Even Celebi has psychic and solar beam like wtf XD. These abilities should just do a lot of damage like fissure being more powerful than earthquake and will kill someone if they're hit with def down before it's used.

3 hours ago, A Dummy said:

Your complaints against the random 9999 attacks are valid, but I feel like you kinda just glossed over the part where Doomsday already mentioned that there is going to be way less of them in v9, with Ozma being the exception since that was his gimmick back in FF9.

As for the amount of healing getting out of hand, it kinda really was when you could just put Regen on someone which would heal them fully when their turn came up, so if an attack didn't kill them outright it basically didn't matter, so someone can just stock up on Mighty Guards to apply a full party Regen and stat buffs in one turn, combined with getting full elemental resist and status resist through equipment.

But again, I agree it was getting out of hand with all these things piling up in v8, but just from what I've heard many of these issue are already being addressed for v9, including the removal of the Invulnerability buff so it's not even a balance concern.
If I heard right I think it was getting changed to a 50% damage resist that stacks with defense up, but I'm not sure, info is kinda scattered all about and not really consolidated very well, so I'm sure there's a lot I am missing.

Key word being less when it should be none imho. My problem with may and dawn and his reply to me is the fact that that gimmick with the pokemon that allows them to do that is the only reason why any of them are hard to begin with and "broken invincibility" being the only way to beat them is not right at all. It's a mini boss rush and you don't get anything but a game over if you don't beat all of the bosses in it so if your run out of HM guards during it then tough luck. Plus the final v9 isn't out yet anyway so saying that it's not much of an issue in v9 doesn't justify it and I'm complaining about this because I think that before v9 is finished and released maybe the pokemon should just be relatively stronger with a 9999 attack that only hits one target or just not be able to do 9999 damage regardless of stats at all. Ya keep insisting that regen is just so broken for full healing you when you still die from pretty much every super boss turn rotation, plus if your stats get lowered, or you get inflicted with a status effect, or if the boss can counter, putting your character at low enough hp to be KO'd in the upcoming boss turn then it really won't matter. It still forces you to take up one or two of the characters turns to heal most of the stuff or risk dying anyway. Stocking up of HM Gaurds won't really help you when Rydia or Mysterious girl KO's one or two of the party with meteor then the last person gets chomped on by bahamut, HM Gaurds won't save you when omega wave cannons you twice, then earthquakes and kills everybody, nor will it help you when magus or xion counters you after you attack them cuz your regenerated hp will be mostly gone unless you heal which is something you'd do if you wasn't regenerating anyway. Granted it is very beneficial to get a full heal at the start of a turn for 3 turns but that really isn't screaming broken when bosses are just shy of one shotting you with their abilities and/or physical attacks regardless.

The power of the characters and/or items should not be gimped to account for overall boss strength, the boss should be made stronger but not so strong or broken that the fight borders on the line of impossibility unless you use a consumable item. The only character that can even obtain gear that blocks almost everything statuses and elements alike is peach, everyone else is hampered down by only having armor/accessories that block statuses and halve's elements or nulls one element unless they have the lazy shell which kills damage potential and even then they can still die in common situations.

The whole point of what I'm saying is that bosses should be beatable without things like invincibility, or hell even regen to begin with. If it can still wipe your party with it's damage despite you having gear that gives auto stats up at the start of battle, blocks status effects and halves elements then tough shit try again unless the damage is too high for you to take despite having the best gear you can have at the time. But if said boss is wiping you with a ability that's coded specifically to kill you or your entire party regardless of whether or not you have max hp, resist everything unless you have the power of god itself is bullshit and should not exist especially if said boss has gear that you need to progress to the end. Imo regen wasn't the broken thing, it was celebi and I don't think anybody would really mind if the celebi item was removed.

At the very least the may and dawn fights can be like fights you'd only tackle at the very end of the hack like before you fight Rosalina, red, xion, or magus to a lesser extent after you've already gotten the platinum armor. Soul dew can be like something dawn gives you and may gives you something that can be good but not something you'd really need.

3 hours ago, Darkcelestrian said:

Healing didn't become so effective. It's always been effective but there were a lot of bosses placed in reasonable positions holding gear you need to progress further in the hack that did a shit ton of damage and didn't have attacks that you needed absolute invincibility for so that if you fucked up you're most likely dead. Even with the healing options you have to choose between wasting turns healing and not out damaging the heal many bosses already have, or taking the risk to do the damage and see whether you can get away with it or not. You can't cheese heal Rosalina with just a ultima, dark star, meteor, or physical attack on it's own every turn while the other 2 heal and buff you. You have to take the risk and do enough damage so that you're closer to actually out-damaging the boss's heal and not winding up in a weird sort of purgatory until you run out of items. Two wrongs do not make a right. Your "healing is too effective" argument crashes and burns when you have to take into account, damage you're sustaining, debuffs that decrease your damage done and increases damage done to you or just fucking deny you the ability to do damage or live if you don't have immunity against it, and the occasional hp/life heal that bosses have. Bosses being able to go 2-4 turns in a row, bosses having group wide attacks that hit you multiple times that can wipe you if you're not careful or strong enough, bosses that debuff you while doing a crap ton of damage, or all of the above are perfectly reasonable because it's something you can deal with without losing the whole fight. Mother fucker this is a boss gauntlet when every fking enemy can do all of the things I listed while also having attacks (not just 1 attack but many) that can do 9999 damage regardless of whatever fking armor you have to the WHOLE PARTY and one of them holds armor you practically need if you want to fight bosses like magus and do the boss rush?! No. That's a shitty designed fight and I know so because I've beat all the ff bosses, jinx, shadow queen, and fking larxene before coming to the pokemon trainers plus yiazmat from v7.8 can show you how to do instant death that ignores death protection while also being challenging even without it right. Maybe if it was just for rayquaza, giratina, and arceus and then have that shit for most if not all the pokemon for red because you can save him as the penultimate fight behind xion but no it's every fking pokemon. Don't even get me started on the lake gaurdians in dawns battle since they can counter you with physic which lowers your m.def and has a chance to 9999 you while also taking 3 turns each. Also you mention that it gets countered by end game fights because a lot of them have effects like dispel so it's not just a simple tank and spank....and it's fair and exceptable there because they're the very late game bosses. It should be like that but may and dawn are bosses you can take on any time after you catch the pokemon that they want you to catch and dawn holds the platinum armor which is something you'll want a lot before taking on something like the boss rush...or magus and even then on hard mode that doesn't account for much if you're shit at timed blocking or you just keep a character below like 800hp when the boss starts it's turn. Stop fucking telling the healing is broken because it's not. It never was and before the stupid pokemon bullshit was put it there was many bosses that could easily take you from 100 to 0 with their damage alone or leave you so desperate for heals that you can't even focus on dps'ing it down before they unleash their onslaught upon you again. Hell the only real LIKE...really real exception to that should be Ozma because I understand DK's pain when fighting that boss because in ff9 it is actually based on luck because meteor can kill all of your party alright and you can't do shit about it but wait rayquaza has that ability aswell lmao. Stop bullshitting me, if all the pokemon didn't have that 9999 crap then may and dawn would be ....EASY...or moderate difficulty at the very least with the exception of groudon, giratina, arceus, and the lake gaurdians which can be hard.

I have beaten these fights with celebi but now I want to do so without it and without using found illusions or whatever other crap like it and it pisses me off that I can't lol.

6 hours ago, Doomsday31415 said:

What's a lie?  The fact is that healing became so effective that the only way to threaten the player is to insta-kill them with something that can't be blocked without invincibility.  Even THAT gets countered by some of the end game fights, leaving an unblockable, random insta-kill.

And yeah, I can't imagine beating the trio without Celebi's invincibility.  The only thing able to counter their broken attack pattern is Celebi's broken invincibility.

Healing didn't become so effective. It's always been effective but there were a lot of bosses placed in reasonable positions holding gear you need to progress further in the hack that did a shit ton of damage and didn't have attacks that you needed absolute invincibility for so that if you fucked up you're most likely dead. Even with the healing options you have to choose between wasting turns healing and not out damaging the heal many bosses already have, or taking the risk to do the damage and see whether you can get away with it or not. You can't cheese Rosalina with just a ultima, dark star, meteor, or physical attack on it's own every turn while the other 2 heal and buff you. You have to take the risk and do enough damage so that you're closer to actually out-damaging the boss's heal and not winding up in a weird sort of purgatory until you run out of items. Two wrongs do not make a right. Your "healing is too effective" argument crashes and burns when you have to take into account, damage you're sustaining, debuffs that decrease your damage done and increases damage done to you or just fucking deny you the ability to do damage or live if you don't have immunity against it, and the occasional hp/life heal that bosses have. Bosses being able to go 2-4 turns in a row, bosses having group wide attacks that hit you multiple times that can wipe you if you're not careful or strong enough, bosses that debuff you while doing a crap ton of damage, or all of the above are perfectly reasonable because it's something you can deal with without losing the whole fight. Mother fucker this is a boss gauntlet where every fking enemy can do all of the things I listed while also having attacks (not just 1 attack but many) that can do 9999 damage regardless of whatever fking armor you have to the WHOLE PARTY and one of them holds armor you practically need if you want to fight bosses like magus and do the boss rush?! No. That's a shitty designed fight and I know so because I've beat all the ff bosses, jinx, shadow queen, and fking larxene before coming to the pokemon trainers plus yiazmat from v7.8 can show you how to do instant death that ignores death protection while also being challenging even without it right. Maybe if it was just for rayquaza, giratina, and arceus and then have that shit for most if not all the pokemon for red because you can save him as the penultimate fight behind xion but no it's every fking pokemon. Don't even get me started on the lake gaurdians in dawns battle since they can counter you with physic which lowers your m.def and has a chance to 9999 you while also taking 3 turns each. Also you mention that it gets countered by end game fights because a lot of them have effects like dispel so it's not just a simple tank and spank....and it's fair and exceptable there because they're the very late game bosses. It should be like that but may and dawn are bosses you can take on any time after you catch the pokemon that they want you to catch and dawn holds the platinum armor which is something you'll want a lot before taking on something like the boss rush...or magus and even then on hard mode that doesn't account for much if you're shit at timed blocking or you just keep a character below like 800hp when the boss starts it's turn. Stop fucking telling people the healing is broken because it's not. It never was and before the stupid pokemon bullshit was put it there was many bosses that could easily take you from 100 to 0 with their damage alone or leave you so desperate for heals that you can't even focus on dps'ing it down before they unleash their onslaught upon you again. Hell the only real LIKE...really real exception to that should be Ozma because I understand DK's pain when fighting that boss because in ff9 it is actually based on luck because meteor can kill all of your party alright and you can't do shit about it but wait rayquaza has that ability aswell lmao. Stop bullshitting me, if all the pokemon didn't have that 9999 crap then may and dawn would be ....EASY...or moderate difficulty at the very least with the exception of groudon, giratina, arceus, and the lake gaurdians which can be hard.

On 11/13/2017 at 4:48 PM, Doomsday31415 said:

The 9999 power creep is what happens when you overload the player with gear that blocks too many things at once.  Fortunately, it's been scaled back considerably in v9.  I think only Ozma still has it, although I don't remember at this point.

P.S. The pokemon battle is what I was thinking of as the "hardest" fight, although Rosalina and Terra are close seconds.

On 11/13/2017 at 5:20 PM, Darkcelestrian said:

Ah that's good to know. I mean red's pretty hard yeah but may and dawn not so much, it's only the 9999 chance that makes the fights somewhat difficult. I can plow through all of the fights with the exception of the final ones from each of the 2 and even then I can be reckless more often then I should. The fight against all 3 lake gaurdians is alright though, feels like fighting a mini omega weapon in which it should.

That's kind of a lie because going in with pure defense, m'def gear on either may or dawn with no immunities I'd still get 9999'd almost 90% of the time by any of the pokemon. I mean it's a moot point since v9 is the version to talk about now an days and I'm playing hard mode primarily but atleast when I fight a boss like xion, magus, or shadow queen, and a few others it's mostly reliant on my ability to time block and manage my resources properly. With the pokemon and yes, only the pokemon I've gotten one shotted more times than any other boss with meteor. Not sure if Dk checks the forums now but he really needs to keep his pokemon boner in check lol. Haven't played many pokemon games but I know for a fact that attacks that can one shot you can't do so as often as in the hack. But that's where my no celebi rule ends for v8 cuz for those fights you pretty much need it unless you just get really, really lucky with the 9999's.

Use a poison mushroom then use peach's ultima. Don't attack it after using peach's ultima, instead heal so you don't get one shotted. Next turn use peach's ultima again and it'll most likely run away, if it doesn't then heal the party again and on the third turn use ultima and it'll most likely die, that is because peach's ultima deals damage beyond 9999 and combined with poison will whittle it's hp down. If you're getting one shotted anyway then get better armor before fighting it or pray it misses peach for the second turn. You still have a chance to get golden flowers if it runs away tho so you should probably go for that. The dragon claw is an item you get from May after catching all the pokemon she wants you to catch. 

This is for the snes verion of ffvi right? I can't seem to find a rom of the vanilla game to use the ips patcher on anywhere.

3 hours ago, Doomsday31415 said:

The 9999 power creep is what happens when you overload the player with gear that blocks too many things at once.  Fortunately, it's been scaled back considerably in v9.  I think only Ozma still has it, although I don't remember at this point.

P.S. The pokemon battle is what I was thinking of as the "hardest" fight, although Rosalina and Terra are close seconds.

Ah that's good to know. I mean red's pretty hard yeah but may and dawn not so much, it's only the 9999 chance that makes the fights somewhat difficult. I can plow through all of the fights with the exception of the final ones from each of the 2 and even then I can be reckless more often then I should. The fight against all 3 lake gaurdians is alright though, feels like fighting a mini omega weapon in which it should.